Sell-on clauses/EPPP movers

[flangejackrabbit]

I was hoping to establish an ongoing list of players on whom we have sell-on clauses or have moved under EPPP rules.

The bottom selection contains players who have moved away from us with some sort of sell-on which has since been resolved one way or the other.

Anyone that can help, please do!

Outstanding:

Sell-ons (Known):
Dominc Iorfa (15%)

Sell-ons (Unknown):
Jack Payne
Dan Bentley
Glen Kamara

EPPP:
Jordan Gabriel (Forest)
Keith Asare (Forest)
Finley Burns (Man City)
Cameron John (Wolves)

Unknown - before or after EPPP?
Stephy Mavididi

Resolved
Michael Ngoo - released, no gain
Freddy Eastwood - £300k (25% of £1.2m)
Gary Hooper - £420k (17.5% of £2.4m) + about £45k of Scunthorpe's sell on I believe?
Femi Orengua - released, no gain
Keith Orengua - released, no gain
Medi Abalimba - released, no gain
Lyle Della Verde - released, no gain
Kane Ferdinand - Released, no gain
Isaac Hayden - Believe about £310k (12.5% of £2.5m) but happy to be corrected?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Hooper/Eastwood?

Ngoo.

 

[flangejackrabbit]

I was thinking more players where we have potential future income that hasn't yet been realised, but that could be an interesting separate section of the list as well!

 

[manor15]

They often aren't made public until they then move on from their next club.

Isaac Hayden is another resolved one.

 

[Ricky Otto]

who was lad who went to Newcastle this summer? We allegedly got a chunk of that

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Isaac Hayden?

 

[C C Csiders]

who was lad who went to Newcastle this summer? We allegedly got a chunk of that

Kind of see what you did there with Isaac Hayden - subtle genius.

 

[Ricky Otto]

Kind of see what you did there with Isaac Hayden - subtle genius.

Not remembering somebody's name is not the mark of a genius, subtle or otherwise :hilarious:

 

[flangejackrabbit]

Cheers, added. If anyone has more accurate figures than the ones I've estimated based on press/other info I'm all ears.

 

[Beefy]

EPPP payment schedules and potential future payments should be public in theory shouldn't they? As they're all dictated to by a formula.

 

[flangejackrabbit]

EPPP payment schedules and potential future payments should be public in theory shouldn't they? As they're all dictated to by a formula.

Yeah, they will be public. EPPP sell-ons are all 20% plus 5% of any subsequent transfer.

 

[Rob1920]

Was thinking about this today in relation to Jack Payne & Bentley. Aren't there ad-ons built in to these deals for number of appearances and promotions etc? Which if true could mean some wonga coming our way if Udders or Brentford get promoted surely? Just hoping..

 

[OldBlueLady]

Was thinking about this today in relation to Jack Payne & Bentley. Aren't there ad-ons built in to these deals for number of appearances and promotions etc? Which if true could mean some wonga coming our way if Udders or Brentford get promoted surely? Just hoping..

Depends on what's been agreed. Not every player who is sold as a youngster has a contract that includes "add ons".

 

[flangejackrabbit]

If it goes to a tribunal they will most likely add hefty add-ons (but a relatively lowly upfront fee), otherwise it's all negotiation once a player gets beyond the bounds of EPPP.

For EPPP the add-ons (separate to the intial compensation and the sell-ons) are as for rule 284 in this document (sorry, the table doesn't want to copy nicely): http://www.thefa.com/~/media/C2FB1444624F4367AA477A72D94B50BF.ashx

 

[rlb999]

Not quite sure what the point of all this is - are you going to declare at the end that we're millionaires? We aren't - the club loses money monthly and little tickles like that just temporarily ease the situation. Read the accounts. In fact, read the accounts of 90% of clubs at our level that don't have a sugar daddy.

 

[flangejackrabbit]

Not quite sure what the point of all this is - are you going to declare at the end that we're millionaires? We aren't - the club loses money monthly and little tickles like that just temporarily ease the situation. Read the accounts. In fact, read the accounts of 90% of clubs at our level that don't have a sugar daddy.

No - it's just interesting to me to keep track of where our youth ends up and how our academy will benefit us in the long run. Obviously even with this income we are still losing money hand over fist.

 

[Ricey]

What about Glen Kamara?

 

[SeaSideDoughnut]

Isn't Stephy Mavididi another one signed by Arsenal under EPPP?

 

[flangejackrabbit]

What about Glen Kamara?

Already in there, was signed just before EPPP came in I believe?

Isn't Stephy Mavididi another one signed by Arsenal under EPPP?

Don't suppose anyone has a date for his move?

 

[SeaSideDoughnut]

http://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/article/080912-blues-academy-notes-vs.-dagenham-388731.aspx

I found this link which is quite interest to see how many players where poached by Arsenal. It's like they were buying in bulk... But no dates.