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Murkey_Mouse

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Sheffield United have begun arbitration proceedings against the Premier League as a result of the Carlos Tevez transfer controversy, with plc chairman Kevin McCabe now proposing that England's top flight comprises 21 teams next season.

Following relegation, The Blades are bitterly angry at the failure to penalise West Ham with a points deduction despite being found guilty of irregularities in the August signings of Tevez and former Hammer Javier Mascherano.

A so-called 'Gang of Four' - comprising The Blades, Charlton, Wigan and Fulham - have been canvassing support from their fellow clubs and The Blades have also written to MPs in a bid to generate support for their cause.

McCabe served arbitration procedure notice on the Premier League on Wednesday to continue the crusade against the perceived injustice, and has again threatened legal action if the league fails to accept his letter.

However, the Blades plc chairman has also proposed a scenario whereby Sheffield United would be reinstated to the league without West Ham being demoted, resulting in the Premiership housing 21 teams next season.

"We are still working towards debating matters with the Premier League, we want to undo the wrong and the injustice of the decision," McCabe told the club's official website.

"The events off the field of play have culminated in our arbitration procedures.

"We have written to every MP, explaining the background of the injustice and that it needs to be satisfied for the good of the sport.

"First and foremost we're doing everything to protect the interests of United.

"Will the Premier League accept our arbitration letters? Litigation can be pursued and, if it has to be pursued, we'll do it.

"It is up to the FA Premier League to find a way round this exceptional circumstance where a club which has played by the rules has been relegated at the expense of one club who have fielded ineligible players.

"The simple answer is why not have 21 clubs in the Premiership next season and relegate four of them at the end. It is not my decision to make but it seems like a very simple solution."

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has indicated that the disaffected clubs will seek to prove that West Ham's re-registration of Tevez outside the transfer window - and following the independent commission's findings - was illegal.

However, the Premier League looks unlikely to bow to McCabe's attempts to establish an arbitration panel, with a spokesman underlining the league's belief that no laws have been broken in the controversial row.

"We followed our processes to the letter and we ensured to our satisfaction that the third party arrangements in relation to Carlos Tevez's contract have been terminated," said a Premier League spokesman.

"We are more than happy to meet with officials of Sheffield United or any other aggrieved club to offer clarification and explanation of this and we have written to all 20 clubs with a forensic explanation of the ruling."

Fifa has already pledged to investigate the row which is threatening to drag the relegation issue out over the summer.

I really hope the Sheffield Utd chairman get his wish, if Sheffield Utd stay in the Premiership as extra 21st club, its mean there is space in Championship so 3rd from bottom in Championship will get a 2nd crack at playing this level - Iam just cluching straws right now, but this might give us an little but unlikely hope that we could stay up! Its will not happen but who know - Iam backing Sheffield Utd's fight in court. What about u?
 
I really hope the Sheffield Utd chairman get his wish, if Sheffield Utd stay in the Premiership as extra 21st club, its mean there is space in Championship so 3rd from bottom in Championship will get a 2nd crack at playing this level - Iam just cluching straws right now, but this might give us an little but unlikely hope that we could stay up! Its will not happen but who know - Iam backing Sheffield Utd's fight in court. What about u?

If this does happen which IMO will happen when hell frezees over, there more the just one gratifing fact in that we will be promoted back to the Championship, but also knowing Leeds ****ed on thier chips by going into Administration this season therefore losing the chance to be 3rd from bottom therefore missing out on a very quick return to the Championship.
 
I really hope the Sheffield Utd chairman get his wish, if Sheffield Utd stay in the Premiership as extra 21st club, its mean there is space in Championship so 3rd from bottom in Championship will get a 2nd crack at playing this level - Iam just cluching straws right now, but this might give us an little but unlikely hope that we could stay up! Its will not happen but who know - Iam backing Sheffield Utd's fight in court. What about u?

That would be hilarious, as it means Leeds would have been relegated due to their points deduction, but its not going to happen and nor should it.
 
Still smacks of sour grapes to me. If Sheffield United had avoided defeat on the last day they would still be in the Premiership.

Anyway FIFA have apparently said West Ham might still be relegated, this whole thing has gone beyond the joke now.
 
I still believe the scandal in this story is not fielding an ineligible player, but the deceit involved. Sheffield United are keen to pursue the ineligible player angle as there is a well established precedent for points deductions for teams fielding players not properly registered. But I think the real story here is:

"We are of the view that these are exceedingly serious allegations because they amount to not only an obvious and deliberate breach of the Rules, but a grave breach of trust as to the FAPL and its constituent members, because in our finding the club has been responsible for dishonesty and deceit. The Rules of the FAPL allow us to penalise a club by deducting points. That is a course that we consider would normally follow from such a breach of these Rules."
 
Good article on Independent website explaining background to this and why any appeal likely to fail. Hope this link works but key points seem to be:
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article2542369.ece
"cannot reverse the decision the commission came out with. It is impossible - they [the three-man independent disciplinary commission] were appointed by the Premier League and all the clubs agreed these people would take charge of the case."
"In fact, Tevez has never been registered illegally at all. The only problem - and the reason for West Ham facing charges in the first place - is that West Ham also had a completely separate agreement with Tevez's third-party owners about the player's theoretical future sale"
 
Good article on Independent website explaining background to this and why any appeal likely to fail. Hope this link works but key points seem to be:
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article2542369.ece
"cannot reverse the decision the commission came out with. It is impossible - they [the three-man independent disciplinary commission] were appointed by the Premier League and all the clubs agreed these people would take charge of the case."
"In fact, Tevez has never been registered illegally at all. The only problem - and the reason for West Ham facing charges in the first place - is that West Ham also had a completely separate agreement with Tevez's third-party owners about the player's theoretical future sale"

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Tevez has never been wrongly registered and has never been ineligible to play for them. It's ridiculous that this thing is still going on.
 
Good article on Independent website explaining background to this and why any appeal likely to fail. Hope this link works but key points seem to be:
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article2542369.ece
"cannot reverse the decision the commission came out with. It is impossible - they [the three-man independent disciplinary commission] were appointed by the Premier League and all the clubs agreed these people would take charge of the case."
"In fact, Tevez has never been registered illegally at all. The only problem - and the reason for West Ham facing charges in the first place - is that West Ham also had a completely separate agreement with Tevez's third-party owners about the player's theoretical future sale"

An almost identical article to the 'contracts and consequences' bit appeared in (I think) the Times, so its good to see the Premier League's spin doctors earning their salaries!
 
Still smacks of sour grapes to me. If Sheffield United had avoided defeat on the last day they would still be in the Premiership

And if West Ham hadnt played ineligble players they may have been 6 points worse off during that period, which means Sheff United wouldnt have needed to win anyway.
 
Okay ineligble was easier than saying players whose signing contravened the rules as some stage.
 
whilst the *******s will probably get away with it, their "reputation" even if they ever had one is in tatters. What a pity.
The point is that they would not have got the 2 players if they hadn't bent the rules which they freely admit and the punishment was in effect no punishment. The Premier League then compounded the felony by accepting that West Ham tore up the contract with the third party (impossible without the third party's consent). Watch out for the laundered 2 million heading his way shortly. It makes me puke. But hey that club does anyway.
 
but if it's against the rules for a contract to give a third party any kind of power over a club's actions, then surely any contract which included those clauses is effectively (or at least should have been) null and void, which then made tevez ineligible? This is from the initial BBC Sport report when the fine was set down:

The panel's findings read: "They knew the only means they could acquire them would be by entering into the third-party contracts.

"Equally they were aware the FAPL at the very least may not - and in all probability would not - have approved of such contracts. They determined to keep their existence from the FAPL."

so, they've been playing under a contract which the comission has agreed wouldn't have been approved by the Premier League, and the club has lied about it. Even if (because the 3rd party contracts were seperate bits of paper) Tevez's main contract was within the letter of the law, its a crappy sleight of hand and they should have been sent down for it. Worse punishments have been handed down to clubs who have admitted to their mistakes, rather than actively hiding them from the authorities.
 
The latest update is:

West Ham were not found guilty of breach of transfer rules of a 3rd Party. West Ham own all Tevez's PLAYING contracts. MSI own Tevez's COMMERICAL contracts, this is due to a different set up in Brazil on ownership of players as clubs dont tend to own the players to an extend in South American football. Therefore the transfer fee would go to West Ham.
Sheffield United are claiming West Ham illegally re-registered Tevez, but this was done with the Premier leagues blessing, and West ham were not at fault for this matter.

Therefore Sheffield United are wasting time and money on a legal case wich will result in them still playing in the Championship next season, and look like a bunch of whingers. Even their own fans on their message board are starting to see that everthing was done by the book at the story below explains.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2080572,00.html
 
everthing was done by the book at the story below explains

So why the £5.5m fine which West Ham seemed to accept quite happily?

Also, if as I understand, The Premier League gave West Ham up until the BLackburn game to get Tevez signed, this means they signed him outside of the transfer window.
 
So why the £5.5m fine which West Ham seemed to accept quite happily?

Also, if as I understand, The Premier League gave West Ham up until the BLackburn game to get Tevez signed, this means they signed him outside of the transfer window.

Not quite as when they were told he couldnt have a third party agreement in his contract they tore it up making him a free agent and free agents can sign outside out the transfer window
 
Not quite as when they were told he couldnt have a third party agreement in his contract they tore it up making him a free agent and free agents can sign outside out the transfer window

well if that was the case, then isn't that an admission that he was effectively ineligible prior to the signing of the new contracts, due to WHU failing to disclose the third-party agreements to the PL when he was initially signed. Not that playing someone who you knowingly signed in contradiction of the rules for the majority of the season demands that you have points deducted of course... now if you're a lower division team and you do it accidentally for one game, that's a different matter. :mad:
 
I think Sheff U are quite right to pursue this. They are claiming rightly that the premier league are a bunch of amateurs. Just because they say it's OK does not mean it is. By the way i think FIFA will heavily criticise the premier league, warn them about their future behaviour and let the matter rest. A bit spineless on their part but that's what i think will happen. West Ham's reputation for fair play is in tatters. Excellent.
BTW the reason the whole thing was delayed was West Ham were "preparing their defence". This as it turned out was a complete admission of wrong doing. However by the time the hearing took place they decided a points deduction was not on because it was too near the end of the season.
 
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