Echo News Simeon Akinola is still 'weeks away' and other injury news

[overseas shrimper]

Wouldent u agree its become all too familiar over the past seasons?

Nobody is denying we've had a lot of injuries, some awful, over the past couple of seasons or so but you have added 2 plus 2 and come up with 5. The fact that you have also said you didn't know Akinola was injured during training (even though it has been mentioned repeatedly) goes to show how informed you are (not) whilst coming to your conclusions and pointing fingers.

 

[Mad Cyril]

That would have been OK if the particular dartist was 'The Bronzed Adonis' Steve Beaton, but it's more likely to be Leighton Rees.

Dave Whitcombe was my bet.

 

[rigsby]

That would have been OK if the particular dartist was 'The Bronzed Adonis' Steve Beaton, but it's more likely to be Leighton Rees.

There's a name from the past. Indoor league with Fred Trueman comes to mind.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I had no idea he got the injury during training

Seriously? At least 3 times now a direct response to your post about Akinola being a bad signing due to him being injured has been to tell you he was injured during training with us. Read replied to your posts.

As for injuries in general, I think we would need to get stats from other clubs to see how bad our injury curse is. Green was scythed from behind, Gaed looks like he went down funny, as did Ralph last season when he fell on his shoulder.

I don't think our physios are doing anything wrong, in fact Ben Clarkson getting a job at West Ham speaks volumes about how his our physios actually are.

Speaking to Frankie Banks recently, I actually asked him about the injuries we suffer and he said it's part of the game and how finely tunes the players muscles etc are as to why injuries are more common. He praised the physios at the club for the work they do on the treatment table

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I’m sure that’s always been you

No that's just your senility playing tricks with your mind

 

[londonblue]

Seriously? At least 3 times now a direct response to your post about Akinola being a bad signing due to him being injured has been to tell you he was injured during training with us. Read replied to your posts.

As for injuries in general, I think we would need to get stats from other clubs to see how bad our injury curse is. Green was scythed from behind, Gaed looks like he went down funny, as did Ralph last season when he fell on his shoulder.

I don't think our physios are doing anything wrong, in fact Ben Clarkson getting a job at West Ham speaks volumes about how his our physios actually are.

Speaking to Frankie Banks recently, I actually asked him about the injuries we suffer and he said it's part of the game and how finely tunes the players muscles etc are as to why injuries are more common. He praised the physios at the club for the work they do on the treatment table

Having spoken to my wife (a physio who specialises in sports injuries and has worked with various local football and rugby clubs) I would dispute that.

That's not to say they are doing something wrong. More, it's to point out we don't know. I used Harry Kyprianou's lengthy time out as an example when speaking to her. He took around twice as long to recover as he should have done given the type of injury.

As she said, if one or two players were taking a long time to get better then fair enough, but if there's a pattern of players not getting better in "normal" timeframes then there might be an issue. Certainly someone would have to conduct some kind of investigation to be sure one way or the other. Carrying on with HK's example, it could also be that his specific injury was pretty complicated, and not "normal". Without someone looking into it you simply don't know if there is an issue or not.

However, players not getting better might not be injury related. There could be any number of other factors at play. Maybe (for example) some players are a bit precious, or maybe they don't want to be getting better. Again, I'm not suggesting either of those are the case, they're just examples.

As an aside, a few years ago an international footballer came to see my wife because he wasn't getting better using his club physios. He'd been out for a substantial time for a relatively minor injury and was being vilified by the fans who were adamant he was pretending to be injured so he didn't have to play in a losing team. My wife sorted him out in a couple of weeks. The club physio had misdiagnosed the issue and was therefore given him the wrong treatment.

Don't assume just because a physio works in football that (s)he is any good. They may well be, but they also might not be.

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

Having spoken to my wife (a physio who specialises in sports injuries and has worked with various local football and rugby clubs) I would dispute that.

That's not to say they are doing something wrong. More, it's to point out we don't know. I used Harry Kyprianou's lengthy time out as an example when speaking to her. He took around twice as long to recover as he should have done given the type of injury.

As she said, if one or two players were taking a long time to get better then fair enough, but if there's a pattern of players not getting better in "normal" timeframes then there might be an issue. Certainly someone would have to conduct some kind of investigation to be sure one way or the other. Carrying on with HK's example, it could also be that his specific injury was pretty complicated, and not "normal". Without someone looking into it you simply don't know if there is an issue or not.

However, players not getting better might not be injury related. There could be any number of other factors at play. Maybe (for example) some players are a bit precious, or maybe they don't want to be getting better. Again, I'm not suggesting either of those are the case, they're just examples.

As an aside, a few years ago an international footballer came to see my wife because he wasn't getting better using his club physios. He'd been out for a substantial time for a relatively minor injury and was being vilified by the fans who were adamant he was pretending to be injured so he didn't have to play in a losing team. My wife sorted him out in a couple of weeks. The club physio had misdiagnosed the issue and was therefore given him the wrong treatment.

Don't assume just because a physio works in football that (s)he is any good. They may well be, but they also might not be.

Serious question, can Mrs London Blue do a spot of consultancy work at Boots and Laces? Seems like a fresh pair of eyes could be just what the squad requires...

 

[OllieSteph44]

HKs injury wasn’t just taking twice as long as what could normally be expected with that injury, he suffered more than one secondary injury that set him back more than once.

He was then rushed back under Sol before he was ready and suffered again.

MM seems to be far more true to his word when he talks about not rushing people back for risk of longer term damage than his predecessor - another reason that backs up the opinion that this time Ron really has made a good choice of manager.

 

[dannypav]

There's a name from the past. Indoor league with Fred Trueman comes to mind.

One of the greatest programmes never to be popular.
Bring it back !
Maybe hosted by Chris Kamara or Kris Akabusi ?

 

[Mad Cyril]

One of the greatest programmes never to be popular.
Bring it back !
Maybe hosted by Chris Kamara or Kris Akabusi ?

Preferably someone who doesn't advertise gambling firms.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

This is slightly off topic and I hope not a jinx BUT a few years back metatarsal foot bone injuries were the happening incidents, blamed on boots.
Then there was the injuries caused by the shape of studs either ripping opposition players legs in fouls or catching, sticking in the grass.

I am surprised that so many players do seem to "let themselves go" when not playing or under organised training regimes, possibly not the majority but enough to be bemused at a less than professional attitude which alludes to maybe other flaws?

Akinola is needed asap, are any fuller details of the injury known?

 

[Rob1920]

I suppose you have to believe our injury record over the past couple of years is shear bad luck but I would honestly be amazed if any other club in the top 4 divisions has lost the amount of important players to serious injury in that period as we have. Hopper (then his replacement Humphries), Coker, White (regularly) Keirnan, Kightly, Oxley, Kyp, Lennon, Ralph, Philips, just off the top of my head, all either were or would have been first team regulars at the time of their injuries. There'll be loads I've forgotten. Then even since MM took over the curse has continued with Green, Macca, Gard, Akinola, White (again) and so on. Sooner or later our luck has to change at least where injuries are concerned.

 

[Shrimpergonzo]

Akinola is needed asap, are any fuller details of the injury known?

He picked up a thigh strain shortly after joining us and has been out with this since then

 

[united we stand]

I suppose you have to believe our injury record over the past couple of years is shear bad luck but I would honestly be amazed if any other club in the top 4 divisions has lost the amount of important players to serious injury in that period as we have. Hopper (then his replacement Humphries), Coker, White (regularly) Keirnan, Kightly, Oxley, Kyp, Lennon, Ralph, Philips, just off the top of my head, all either were or would have been first team regulars at the time of their injuries. There'll be loads I've forgotten. Then even since MM took over the curse has continued with Green, Macca, Gard, Akinola, White (again) and so on. Sooner or later our luck has to change at least where injuries are concerned.

It had been suggested in the past that the surfaces at boots and laces Were part of the problem, hence it’s an ongoing problem.
I can’t recall if that is an actual fact , or a SZ fact/myth

 

[united we stand]

Having spoken to my wife (a physio who specialises in sports injuries and has worked with various local football and rugby clubs) I would dispute that.

That's not to say they are doing something wrong. More, it's to point out we don't know. I used Harry Kyprianou's lengthy time out as an example when speaking to her. He took around twice as long to recover as he should have done given the type of injury.

As she said, if one or two players were taking a long time to get better then fair enough, but if there's a pattern of players not getting better in "normal" timeframes then there might be an issue. Certainly someone would have to conduct some kind of investigation to be sure one way or the other. Carrying on with HK's example, it could also be that his specific injury was pretty complicated, and not "normal". Without someone looking into it you simply don't know if there is an issue or not.

However, players not getting better might not be injury related. There could be any number of other factors at play. Maybe (for example) some players are a bit precious, or maybe they don't want to be getting better. Again, I'm not suggesting either of those are the case, they're just examples.

As an aside, a few years ago an international footballer came to see my wife because he wasn't getting better using his club physios. He'd been out for a substantial time for a relatively minor injury and was being vilified by the fans who were adamant he was pretending to be injured so he didn't have to play in a losing team. My wife sorted him out in a couple of weeks. The club physio had misdiagnosed the issue and was therefore given him the wrong treatment.

Don't assume just because a physio works in football that (s)he is any good. They may well be, but they also might not be.

Agreed lots of unknowns.
So what do we know and what is a reasonable assumption?
You would think that West Ham”s sports science department ( people with far more knowledge than any of us, and importantly people who are able to ask Ben questions that we can’t) . They would have looked at our injury record with Ben as our head physio- and they still took him on.

that speaks volumes to me

 

[Rob1920]

Obviously there have been some training ground injuries but the vast majority of them have been during games.

 

[Barry.C]

As previouslyu quoted research indicates the average seasonal loss for a 25 man squad is 130 days, equivalent of 5 hamstrings and 3 quads. However if you examine the nature of our injuries and the sheer number, especially severe ones, then , as the club commented, our worst injury period in the clubs history, poor old Chris

 

[londonblue]

Serious question, can Mrs London Blue do a spot of consultancy work at Boots and Laces? Seems like a fresh pair of eyes could be just what the squad requires...

I have no idea whether the club would want that, or whether she'd do that or not.

 

[BriggBlue]

Agreed lots of unknowns.
So what do we know and what is a reasonable assumption?
You would think that West Ham”s sports science department ( people with far more knowledge than any of us, and importantly people who are able to ask Ben questions that we can’t) . They would have looked at our injury record with Ben as our head physio- and they still took him on.

that speaks volumes to me

I think we need to look at this as a wider picture, in the Prem Ben is likely to be able to focus on the part of the job that he enjoys most, (and is therefore best at), whereas here he had a small team and had to be more involved with other physio activities that aren't player rehab.

to use an extreme example, Lewis Hamilton is a fantastic F1 driver but I doubt he'd be as good at towing the car to the circuit.

 

[Evening Echo]

ALAN McCormack and John White are both back training outside for Southend United.

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