Southend United are STAYING UP....That's Official

[londonblue]

Just use the Duckworth Lewis method to calculate each team's final points score and that's the end of the season. Simples.

I work with Lewis' stepson. I'll ask him if it can be modified.

 

[londonblue]

Unfortunately we would be in league 1 ,with a league 2 budget and half a league 2 side

So we'd be better off than we were this season?

 

[slapheadsteve]

Its more important that we keep everybody safe and we void this season A.S.A.P.
The simple way is too if you are in a automatic Promotion position now, you are promoted.
Play Off's scrap them as you wont be able to play them.
Postpone the Euro's till next year.
If you are top of any of Premiership, Championship, League 1. League 2 or Conference now, you are Champions.
Scrap all Relegation, but next season, from say League 1, we would have 7 Relegation places.
From League 2, you would have 3.
I know it benefit's us a lot, but that's the simplest and probably fairest way in these unusal times.
You also need to plan for the start of next season, its possible it could get delayed, then you scrap for a season the League Cup and Johnsone Paint trophy, and no replays for F.A. Cup.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

One of the first things "OFF" is the LDV Paint Pot Cup, already, have Pompey sold all their tickets? and will they be able to reschedule? This could be played maybe in the summer with players eligible from this season's squads?

The FA (and UEFA) ought to be talking of, and deciding on a common consensus of action.
Uncertainty and lack of planning is very harmful to business and a lack of leadership makes it harder still.
Tough decisions for sure BUT they need working out and implementing so clubs and finances etc can begin rescue planning.

 

[SheldonW65]

So if the season is voided I presume the same 4 teams as this season start in the Champions League next season ? What if other leagues around Europe don't void their seasons ? It's all getting weird.

 

[Chrisb]

Whatever is decided will inevitably be deemed unfair by many - us and Bolton are really the only ones whose points situation means our fate was realistically already decided, along with Liverpool's huge winning tally.

 

[kentblues]

Sorry a long one- but its Monday and for some reason business is somewhat slow..

The sole focus of the EFL absolutely needs to be how they start next season with the clubs they end the current season with. Probably worthy of a separate thread the whole debate about how the Prem, EFL and Gov address the financial issues.

I see Mark Palios at Tranmere has already suggested the EFL needs to accept that clubs in the lower divisions will, without other urgent action, need to place themselves into administration to protect themselves. And his view is that the EFL should forget about points deductions for doing so.

Should clubs actively look at this, and without the potential disincentive of penalties from the EFL, HMRC will probably regard offering tax deferrals (already part of the measures announced) a better solution than precipating penalty free (in football terms) administration where often the biggest external debt avoided will be with HMRC. Sadly for HMRC, the clubs may see that the debt still remains, with little prospect of servicing it in due course, and why delay administration to further down the line when you do get hit by a points penalty?

Meanwhile I saw another suggestion that the Premiership should urgently make available £47m of funds (drop in the ocean to them) to allow an emergency distribution of £1m to the 47 EFL clubs to see them through to the beginning of next season. Such an action would be the singular most effective way of ensuring EFL clubs don't go down the administration route.

Although we in theory start from a worse position than the vast majority of the EFL clubs as we are already £700k in debt to HMRC, and with a delayed winding up order, bizarrely many other clubs will find themselves in a far worse position. Primarily those that don't own their ground (whether through other group companies or not) or indeed any meaningful assets, and will be relying on a moderately well off chairman to put in a sizeable chunk of their own money with little hope of recovering it. And, by the way, at a time when their own assets, businesses or whatever may also be under stress.

Ron has at least the possibility of raising funds against two large potential developments. I suspect he was hoping desperately to keep, after all this time, these projects so he didn't have to share the rewards should they come to fruition. I suspect HMRC acquiesced in the postponement because they had sight of the means by which he was looking to raise the money. The pain will have been particularly felt in that if he had planning for FF and/or RH raising the money without giving a share of the pie away would have been relatively easy (just a loan secured against a now very valuable asset). Now he will being having to raise those funds against the potential of planning on these sites- I suspect the likely £2.5 million investment he is/was seeking will come at a far bigger % of the pie than he would like (risk money).

I say £2.5m because he already owes say £1m (including next tax bill), and he would have been looking at £1.5m to get through next year. Now all this is up in the air again? He will likely have to find another £700k, but completely unexpectedly might find himself in L1 rather than 2 (more income but more costs), a tax deferral may or may not become available, other "rescue funds" may (but knowing prem probably won't) come available, and the temptation of going the way of few others and taking an administration with no footballing penalty may be in the backgound, potentially near halving what he needs to borrow.

But hear's the thing...actually I don't think the latter will happen as much as it will be expected to by many pundits who would imagine us as first on the list. Primarily, and I think this is why Ron has performed all sorts to keep us out of administration previously, because it will make delivering his project much much harder- in the end he needs to show he eventually pays his bills even in the darkest of times- people who put their businesses into administration to avoid creditors only to buy them straight back for pennies in a pre-pack make very very unreliable business partners..on the other hand those that don't default in even the darkest of hours are very unlikely to when they reach the sunlit uplands..

 

[kentblues]

Whatever is decided will inevitably be deemed unfair by many - us and Bolton are really the only ones whose points situation means our fate was realistically already decided, along with Liverpool's huge winning tally.

I think Aston Villa have been quoted as the perfect example of why you don't just take the current positions as final- in the relegation zone by two points with a game in hand. ..

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Meanwhile I saw another suggestion that the Premiership should urgently make available £47m of funds (drop in the ocean to them) to allow an emergency distribution of £1m to the 47 EFL clubs to see them through to the beginning of next season.

Er, have you killed off L2?

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Er, have you killed off L2?

Unfortunately necessary in the current climate. Sorry Col Ewe and Orient, life's a b*tch.

 

[kentblues]

Er, have you killed off L2?

The number of clubs mentioned was 47- I think that happens to be the number of L1 & L2 clubs. I assume the assumption being the Championship clubs should be alright..

 

[ESG]

So we'd be better off than we were this season?

And we will be starting off with minus quite a few points for all our financial and administrative cockups

 

[kentblues]

And we will be starting off with minus quite a few points for all our financial and administrative ****ups

Except likely not- at the moment our offences are:
- Ineligible player- points from that game taken away again (this season)
- Late payment of wages (not a points deduction offence this season although the EFL and clubs want it to be from next). At this point no club has ever been deducted points for late payment of wages and the list of offenders is very long and about to get much longer..

So this is not the worry. Staying in business is the number one priority for all L1 & 2 clubs and any other distractions are likely fading away..

 

[Rayleigh boy]

Except likely not- at the moment our offences are:
- Ineligible player- points from that game taken away again (this season)
- Late payment of wages (not a points deduction offence this season although the EFL and clubs want it to be from next). At this point no club has ever been deducted points for late payment of wages and the list of offenders is very long and about to get much longer..

So this is not the worry. Staying in business is the number one priority for all L1 & 2 clubs and any other distractions are likely fading away..

good info ... Cheers

 

[ESG]

Except likely not- at the moment our offences are:
- Ineligible player- points from that game taken away again (this season)
- Late payment of wages (not a points deduction offence this season although the EFL and clubs want it to be from next). At this point no club has ever been deducted points for late payment of wages and the list of offenders is very long and about to get much longer..

So this is not the worry. Staying in business is the number one priority for all L1 & 2 clubs and any other distractions are likely fading away..

Cheers KB

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

One of the first things "OFF" is the LDV Paint Pot Cup, already, have Pompey sold all their tickets? and will they be able to reschedule?

Last week they had sold over 53,000!!!.

 

[kentblues]

Last week they had sold over 53,000!!!.

I guess its a one off game- so probably they could play that beginning next season?

 

[Streaky]

Sooooooo what about our court case??

Could we get deducted points this season still if the season ends prematurely?

 

[tallboyblue]

This is no short term problem. Many clubs are going to suffer and players staff as well . As far as I am concerned if we survive I would much rather be in Division 1 than 2.

 

[Floval Flyer]

Government just announced £330 billion of support for businesses needing help to stay afloat and pay salaries. Especially companies in the leisure and entertainment industry.

Guess Ron will be clambering for some of that