Question Stadium update please!

[westie]

For a million pounds from memory.....

I think you'll find the never to be erected and unused training facility was a bargain at £500,000. The cost of erecting it, which was somehow overlooked, is somewhere between £1.5m and £2m.

All this talk of a new stadium and its financial implications is a waste of time IMO, because the Club do not have the financial resources to move forward with it.

 

[GBJ]

Where did you get £200k / mth from?

@Firestorm knows the accounts fairly well, I’m sure he can clarify

 

[GDM]

IIRC, Ron said he was going to give the stadium & the training facilities back to the club, so we’d own it outright and be rent free.

Of course, all we can do at this stage is take Ron at face value, which may not fill anyone with confidence.

Yes this is how I understood it...so we don't actually make any income apart from the usual ways football clubs make income. We'll probably need a figure like 10K a week to make a small profit - the questions is will we really get 10K? I suspect not but I guess no one really knows.
If it does ever happen 22K capacity will be far too big as I expect the championship will forever be out our reach unless we overspend and risk it all.
I fully expect RM to sell up as soon as this stadium in either underway or built...hopefully the first think the new owner doesn't do it flog the stadium and rent it back (seems to be a common thing to do at the moment) then we are right back where we started

 

[GBJ]

Yes this is how I understood it...so we don't actually make any income apart from the usual ways football clubs make income. We'll probably need a figure like 10K a week to make a small profit - the questions is will we really get 10K? I suspect not but I guess no one really knows.
If it does ever happen 22K capacity will be far too big as I expect the championship will forever be out our reach unless we overspend and risk it all.
I fully expect RM to sell up as soon as this stadium in either underway or built...hopefully the first think the new owner doesn't do it flog the stadium and rent it back (seems to be a common thing to do at the moment) then we are right back where we started

Precisely how I see it

 

[The Watermill Wino]

Amazed to see this thread is 5 years old and still relevant today. A future proof stadium doesn't exist. If the foundations of a club are weak or even non existent off the field what chance has a new home stadium have.

Trends are always changing, shops and stores that have been the lifeblood of a high street are now disappearing fast and changes in shopping habits with Amazon and the net don't help.
Money seems about but also goes to quickly out the door from households and people don't have the spare time they used to.

Seems the future is going to be virtual crowds, viewing from their media device , Blues player seems the way for tomorrows fan.
I believe a stadium you call home that does what it says on the tin along with a WELL run off field systems would really where you start from.
Just a thought.

 

[OldBlueLady]

None of the delays are the Councils fault. On the whole they have been very supportive of the plans for a long long time.

If Ron doesn't have the plans in an submittable state and/or the finances secured, then what are the Council supposed to do.

This is all Ron and the excuse of "Banking crisis" etc no longer cuts it I'm afraid. Loads of clubs have sorted themselves a new home since.

Last chance to deliver this summer, or step aside and invite others to see the project through, even if it is a significantly lower spec build.

No, I'm not having that - the reason for the delays are that every time Ron goes to submit them, someone in a position of power who has been recently appointed in one or the other specialist areas demands another piece of evidence to say that the build won't interfere with newts, Saxon relics, the crematorium or some such. Ron has had plenty of time wasted by reproducing reports which have already been submitted and accepted because "someone" wants to throw their weight about. The delay is, apparently, so that there is not the slightest chance of them throwing the application out when it eventually goes forward - every i has been dotted and every t crossed.

 

[Floval Flyer]

Is there actually anything to stop Ron liquidating the club and building two massive cash cow housing estates on FF and the RH site?

Win-win for Ronnie

 

[Stan33]

Is there actually anything to stop Ron liquidating the club and building two massive cash cow housing estates on FF and the RH site?

Win-win for Ronnie

Yes ,he Can only build the properties if he builds the stadium first

 

[The Big Dady]

Is there actually anything to stop Ron liquidating the club and building two massive cash cow housing estates on FF and the RH site?

Win-win for Ronnie

Yes us, the supporters. (Hopefully)

The council would also have to change the current designated use of both sites.

 

[rigsby]

Yes us, the supporters. (Hopefully)

The council would also have to change the current designated use of both sites.

Or the government.....Especially if we went bust as RH would be a brownfield site.

 

[The Big Dady]

The Fossetts Farm plans will NOT go before the next Development Control Committee meeting on:-

Wednesday, 5th February 2020, 2.00 pm

Next one

Wednesday, 4th March 2020, 2.00 pm

 

[markw]

The Fossetts Farm plans will NOT go before the next Development Control Committee meeting on:-

Wednesday, 5th February 2020, 2.00 pm

Next one

Wednesday, 4th March 2020, 2.00 pm

shocker!

When does the 6 month extension run out? Cant have much longer to go?

 

[The Big Dady]

shocker!

When does the 6 month extension run out? Cant have much longer to go?

Current extension expires 31st March 2020..

See here

So another NEW extension may now be required, perhaps that is what Ron's statement tomorrow will be about?

 

[markw]

Current extension expires 31st March 2020,

See here

So another NEW extension may now be required, perhaps that is what Ron's statement tomorrow will be about?

Thanks, the statement tomorrow will probably be a waste of time so I expect "stadium to start in spring"

 

[londonblue]

shocker!

When does the 6 month extension run out? Cant have much longer to go?

End of March I believe, so the last chance is the March meeting. At what point does Ron start to request compensation for the council's delays? Of course, the council could just request further information (or they may well have already done that) this extending their deadline again.

 

[Shrimper]

The Fossetts Farm plans will NOT go before the next Development Control Committee meeting on:-

Wednesday, 5th February 2020, 2.00 pm

Next one

Wednesday, 4th March 2020, 2.00 pm

The council's disdain for the club is incredible

 

[Firestorm]

Perhaps FF is their new preferred site for their mates building the Seaway complex, will get through without the current thorny issue ....j
Just that pesky RM to get rid of, but a couple more months of putting him off and he will sell up,
Turnstone step in , the Multiscreen cinema restaurants etc go to FF, a small residential development goes on the seaway to add a bit of easy profit, Car parking is not compromised , A 15k breeze block stadium is stuck on a remote corner of FF ( no academy pitches or training ground) whilst Turnstone put more housing on FF , and redevelop RH. Meaning the council hit all their housing targets . And SUFC bumble along on a limited income with the millstone of rent , and debt , until Turnstone sell the stadium to a property developer who jacks up the rent , squeezes til we pop and satisfies the 2030 government housing targets.

 

[kaymac]

The council's disdain for the club is incredible

If totally unsurprising....

 

[Napster]

, until Turnstone sell the stadium to a property developer who jacks up the rent , squeezes til we pop and satisfies the 2030 government housing targets.

someone like Ronaldo Martini

 

[londonblue]

So here's the stadium update:

Talking about the “future”, many of you will be asking what happened to the planning application for the club’s new stadium.

Behind the scenes, there have been many twists and turns since application was submitted.

However, we have listened to the Council and with goodwill on both sides, we will both hopefully make some further progress shortly. Certainly, the days for remaining at Roots Hall are numbered.

Translation:

"The council have requested further information that we've had to supply. How long it takes them to make a decision depends on how long they take to review.

The clock starts/started again when we submit/submitted that further info so there'll be no progression in the near future."


If I were Ron I'd be mightily ****ed off with either the council for making me jump through hoops and/or continually moving the goalposts, or myself for not getting it right. Heaven really knows what's going on.