Sturrock's longevity

[Pubey]

Just noticed that Luggy is now in the Top 20 longest managers in the league.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Football_League_managers

I remember Tilly being up in the Top 10 easily.

Good stuff Luggy (and Ronny Martini), that list clearly shows that good clubs are built on managers who are given time. Luggy is obviously class and hopefully will continue to be with us for a long time.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Can see him moving up as well by the end of the season!

 

[FarmdogSUFC]

Long may it continue.

 

[Bolton Shrimper]

He's absolutely deserved it.

 

[dannypav]

Can John Ward really be in the job 0 years and 0 days ?????

 

[Gremlin]

Oxford can stick with Wilder forever so far as I'm concerned.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Credit to the chairman for appointing him.

He's done well with the last two managers. Good appointments, he seems to have learnt the lesson from the Wignall appointment and avoided the misfortune of Ian Atkins who, rumour had it, he was very interested in.

 

[BrettieAngell]

I'm sure Tilly was 4th or 5th at one point behind Ferguson, Wenger and Moyes, and maybe Turner at Hereford or someone like that.

 

[Mick]

Just noticed that Luggy is now in the Top 20 longest managers in the league.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Football_League_managers

I remember Tilly being up in the Top 10 easily.

Good stuff Luggy (and Ronny Martini), that list clearly shows that good clubs are built on managers who are given time. Luggy is obviously class and hopefully will continue to be with us for a long time.

Two and a half years ? Interesting to compare his achievements to those of Tilly in his first two and a half years.

One brought us two cup finals, two promotions and won a relegation battle not of his own making.

The other ? .............. (watch this space, hopefully - but nothing tangible yet)

When Tilly took over we were playing the likes of Boston and Kidderminster in the League; Two years and 165 days later we were playing the likes of Stoke, Sunderland, West Brom and Norwich in the League.

Ron Martin has done a great job of lowering expectations so much that two and a half years of barely much better than average is acclaimed so highly.

 

[Tampa Blue]

Two and a half years ? Interesting to compare his achievements to those of Tilly in his first two and a half years.

One brought us two cup finals, two promotions and won a relegation battle not of his own making.

The other ? .............. (watch this space, hopefully - but nothing tangible yet)

When Tilly took over we were playing the likes of Boston and Kidderminster in the League; Two years and 165 days later we were playing the likes of Stoke, Sunderland, West Brom and Norwich in the League.

Ron Martin has done a great job of lowering expectations so much that two and a half years of barely much better than average is acclaimed so highly.

Not quite sure if this is a pop at Sturrock or not, but I guess one big difference relating to those two periods is that one had a transfer budget and one didn't.

 

[Mick]

Not quite sure if this is a pop at Sturrock or not, ....

No, not especially. Just a few facts and a bit of perspective.

 

[Pubey]

What about comparing Luggy's 2.5 years to the last 2.5 years with Tilly?

 

[Jam_Man]

No, not especially. Just a few facts and a bit of perspective.

Another bit of perspective is looking who Tilson inherited, ie Gower etc, and remembering Sturrock had about 3 players when arrived.

Both achieved a lot and Sturrocks achievement in keeping us in a safe position the first season, and then getting more points than Tilson did when we went up is not to be scoffed at. 83 points is hardly average, its the most weve got in that league.

Both good managers and I dont think we should be using either's achievement to try to belittle the others.

 

[Mick]

Another bit of perspective is looking who Tilson inherited, ie Gower etc, and remembering Sturrock had about 3 players when arrived.

Both achieved a lot and Sturrocks achievement in keeping us in a safe position the first season, and then getting more points than Tilson did when we went up is not to be scoffed at. 83 points is hardly average, its the most weve got in that league.

Both good managers and I dont think we should be using either's achievement to try to belittle the others.

For every Gower there was a Broughton. For every Cort, there was a McSweeney.

It would certainly be very difficult to try to belittle Tilson's achievements by using Sturrocks !!

As I said, hopefully Sturrock will get a tangible achievement (or two !!) on the board this season.

 

[Jam_Man]

For every Gower there was a Broughton. For every Cort, there was a McSweeney.

It would certainly be very difficult to try to belittle Tilson's achievements by using Sturrocks !!

As I said, hopefully Sturrock will get a tangible achievement (or two !!) on the board this season.

At least Tilson had players.

A tangible achievement is keeping us in the league when we had no players and embargos and building a whole new squad in 2 weeks and getting players such as Hall/Clohessey/Mohsni.

Another one would be achieving 83 points in a season, even if the end result wasnt promotion. Sturrocks team last year did better over the 46 games than Tilsons, he just failed at the play off semi-final stage, where Tilson scraped through to take us to the final. (Id however give Tilson the award for entertainment mind)

Im really not sure why there has to be a Sturrock vs Tilson debate every 3 weeks. Both have done well for this club. Now if we dont go up this year then Sturrock will of course lose a lot of credit, but at the moment is doing a good job, despite again having embargos throughout the summer.

 

[Mick]

What about comparing Luggy's 2.5 years to the last 2.5 years with Tilly?

Didn't want to, but if we must.

Our average League position (out of the 92) during Tilly's last 2.5 years was 57th, during Sturrock's it has been 76th.

 

[Pubey]

jesus' wept.

 

[Jam_Man]

Didn't want to, but if we must.

Our average League position (out of the 92) during Tilly's last 2.5 years was 57th, during Sturrock's it has been 76th.

Whats his win ratio ? How long have both spent in the bottom 3 in those 2.5 years ?

Seeing as he started in the league above using league position isnt exactly an achievement.

Again, not sure why they have to be compared as in the last 12 months of Tilsons reign his squad were trampled on due to the financial issues (which have certainly impaired Sturrock at times as well)

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Two and a half years ? Interesting to compare his achievements to those of Tilly in his first two and a half years.

One brought us two cup finals, two promotions and won a relegation battle not of his own making.

The other ? .............. (watch this space, hopefully - but nothing tangible yet)

When Tilly took over we were playing the likes of Boston and Kidderminster in the League; Two years and 165 days later we were playing the likes of Stoke, Sunderland, West Brom and Norwich in the League.

Ron Martin has done a great job of lowering expectations so much that two and a half years of barely much better than average is acclaimed so highly.

Out of interest, how would they compare if you factored in money spent? In this you'd have to include the value of the respective inherited squads of course.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Luggy is a "work in progress". Who knows where we'll be in a few years? He's started from virtually nothing and given us a team that's challenging for promotion. Ok, the football may have not been so sexy at times but at least we're going upwards. 12 unbeaten, 3rd round of the FA Cup, area semi's of the JPT.

Tilson worked wonders and for me he's still our best ever manager, but you have to give Luggy credit for what he's done. A lesser manager and I think we'd be in the Conference.