Latest Rumours Summer Transfer Window Thread 2019

[fbm]

Hey everyone, stop panicking.

Pre season results mean absolutely diddly squat. For instance, last year we looked very good at times against Leeds, getting a 1-1 draw. Then look what happened!

We are not going to get loads of players in now, because we have loads of players coming back from injury in the first 2-3 months. Then our squad will be stronger.

It'll be a question of using the whole squad early, probably meaning youngsters will play a big part, and hoping that we don't leave ourselves too much of a task. Personally I think we will be fine. We probably won't set the division alight, but a starting line up of

Oxley
Elvis Lennon Kiernan Ralph
McLaughlin Milligan Yearwood Mantom
Humphreys Robinson/Goodship

will be more than enough to be comfortably mid table.

 

[RHB]

Hey everyone, stop panicking.

Pre season results mean absolutely diddly squat. For instance, last year we looked very good at times against Leeds, getting a 1-1 draw. Then look what happened!

We are not going to get loads of players in now, because we have loads of players coming back from injury in the first 2-3 months. Then our squad will be stronger.

It'll be a question of using the whole squad early, probably meaning youngsters will play a big part, and hoping that we don't leave ourselves too much of a task. Personally I think we will be fine. We probably won't set the division alight, but a starting line up of

Oxley
Elvis Lennon Kiernan Ralph
McLaughlin Milligan Yearwood Mantom
Humphreys Robinson/Goodship

will be more than enough to be comfortably mid table.

I was beginning to think that I had lost the plot when reading some of the previous posts in this thread. So thank you @fbm for offering a more relaxed opinion which more or less corresponds with my own view.

It's also good to know that so many other clubs in this division have signed so many players, it has made my life complete knowing that.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Normally there is a late late "wow" signing just before the very start of the season, IIRC Anton, Hunt, Cox, MK and Fred (2nd time) were late additions which led to the usual war chest stuff.

I reckon this year we will get a late FFS signing.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Hey everyone, stop panicking.

Pre season results mean absolutely diddly squat. For instance, last year we looked very good at times against Leeds, getting a 1-1 draw. Then look what happened!

We are not going to get loads of players in now, because we have loads of players coming back from injury in the first 2-3 months. Then our squad will be stronger.

It'll be a question of using the whole squad early, probably meaning youngsters will play a big part, and hoping that we don't leave ourselves too much of a task. Personally I think we will be fine. We probably won't set the division alight, but a starting line up of

Oxley
Elvis Lennon Kiernan Ralph
McLaughlin Milligan Yearwood Mantom
Humphreys Robinson/Goodship

will be more than enough to be comfortably mid table.

Ok. Name me a weaker first eleven for another side in league 1 apart from Bury.

 

[Ricey]

Ok. Name me a weaker first eleven for another side in league 1 apart from Bury.

Bolton

 

[Mad Cyril]

Ok. Name me a weaker first eleven for another side in league 1 apart from Bury.

I realise the question was not directed at me but I know **** all about the first XI of the other twenty three teams in the league.

 

[fbm]

Ok. Name me a weaker first eleven for another side in league 1 apart from Bury.

I can't as I don't follow other sides and would have no idea whether their players were strong or weak.

But names on paper mean nothing. They play on grass. If we had to rely on paper reputations, Kightly would have been a shoe in for player of the year, Hyam would have bossed the midfield, Yearwood would be the subject of 7 figure bids, Turner would have been unbeatable and Oxley would have been in the League 1 team of the season.

But I'll bet we aren't the weakest by a long chalk.

 

[gazza]

As Cyril just stated, who knows what the other squads are like until we play them? Did many predict Plymouth would go down last year?

 

[Grapevine]

Surely the point now must be, that if we all have no idea whatsoever about the other teams in the league then surely no one is in a position to predict success or failure?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Hey everyone, stop panicking.

Pre season results mean absolutely diddly squat. For instance, last year we looked very good at times against Leeds, getting a 1-1 draw. Then look what happened!

We are not going to get loads of players in now, because we have loads of players coming back from injury in the first 2-3 months. Then our squad will be stronger.

It'll be a question of using the whole squad early, probably meaning youngsters will play a big part, and hoping that we don't leave ourselves too much of a task. Personally I think we will be fine. We probably won't set the division alight, but a starting line up of

Oxley
Elvis Lennon Kiernan Ralph
McLaughlin Milligan Yearwood Mantom
Humphreys Robinson/Goodship

will be more than enough to be comfortably mid table.

Wot no Cox?

FWIW,I still think we'll go down.

 

[RHB]

Surely the point now must be, that if we all have no idea whatsoever about the other teams in the league then surely no one is in a position to predict success or failure?

Oh do behave, this is ShrimperZone.

 

[dannypav]

IF and when the team is fit I'd go with

Oxley

Demi Lennon Kiernan Ralph

Milligan

Dru McLaughlin

Cox

Hopper Humphreys


That's a decent side at this level.

It's a big if that we get players back fit and I'd like another CB and winger.

I don't think we are far away from a decent side.

Whilst that side looks decent , I don’t think we will start any match with Hopper , Humphrys and Cox ( even though you are appearing to have Cox at the head of a 4 man midfield )

 

[fbm]

Wot no Cox?

FWIW,I still think we'll go down.

He's currently injured, hence the omission. But he could be back for the first game.

 

[fbm]

Surely the point now must be, that if we all have no idea whatsoever about the other teams in the league then surely no one is in a position to predict success or failure?

Welcome to the world of bookmaking.

The punters are on the favourite, the bookie is on everyone else.

If it was easy to predict success or failure, there would be no gambling industry.

 

[Grapevine]

There’s not a bookie in the world who’d offer odds with no knowledge of the participants....

That’s my point. If no one knows about the others how can they decide if we’d stay up or go down based on a fantasy 11 of if fit for 46 games in a row.

It’s laughable

 

[Mad Cyril]

As Cyril just stated, who knows what the other squads are like until we play them? Did many predict Plymouth would go down last year?

I did but I do spend a lot of time hanging out at spiritualist churches

 

[fbm]

There’s not a bookie in the world who’d offer odds with no knowledge of the participants....

That’s my point. If no one knows about the others how can they decide if we’d stay up or go down based on a fantasy 11 of if fit for 46 games in a row.

It’s laughable

Actually, I think you're slightly off the beam there. Apologies now for going

In big events (World Cup, Euros, Premier league etc) of course the bookies know the whole field. But so do the punters.

When it comes down to League 1, 2 etc, the bookies absolutely do not know all the ins and outs of every team. They will rely on the odds compiler (each bookie has it's own odds compiler) and it is then the weight of the money that is more influential.

Take us for example. We are third favourites to go down and 50/1-ish to win the league. This is entirely based on our form over the second half of last season. I'll bet some bookie in Sheffield hasn't a clue that we had loads of injuries or when they are coming back, and what's more, there isn't enough money in that market to make it worth him knowing. So he will rely on others.

We however, know all about our squad, which is why we can get a march on the bookies by using that intimate knowledge to our advantage.

A case in point was last season. It was painfully clear in the home game v Plymouth that that was as good as our squad was going to get. We had had a few duff performances but 3-0 down at home to them was embarrasing. The 2 late goals gave us hope of an unlikely equaliser but more to the point, masked the judgement of everyone who didn't have the misfortune to witness the game (although Kelman's goal was worth going for on its own).

After that match, we were 16/1 to be relegated (if I recall correctly, at that point it was even shorter to make the playoffs!) which to anyone with an inkling of knowledge of SUFC and their plight was an absolute steal. £50 on that game (with the intention of laying it off later) was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Amazingly, a month later we were still only 14/1 to go down. Another £50 gave a loss of £100 if we stayed up (which I had no intention of letting run) but a profit of £1400 if we went down (again, which I had no intention of collecting in full.)

It was after the Barnsley TV game (available to a much wider audience than those at the ground) that the odds started to move. no doubt with the weight of money coming in on us as dead certs for the drop.

To cut a long story short, I cashed in before the end of the season and collected £850 in winnings based on knowledge that I possessed which the bookies didn't.

To illustrate my point further, if it had been a Premier league side that had been decimated through injuries, everyone would have been talking about it and the odds would have moved much more quickly. So the bookies aren't aware of everything, especially away from the top levels.

This season, for anyone who's interested, have a punt on SUFC to go up once the handicap odds come out. That has to be our best bet.

Anyway, back on topic...


Any signings this week forecast then?

 

[Grapevine]

I can’t even be bothered to read all that just now....I will later....

But my point was that no one would offer odds on something of which they had NO knowledge...

No matter how limited they will have some knowledge of league 1 even if it’s historical league positions, players in the squad, signings, new manager etc etc etc

The comment was in response to someone asking someone else to name another team worse than ours and they said they had NO knowledge of other squads ?‍

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Never been much of a gambling fan, though I think that the recent welcome decision to put Alan Turing on the new 50 quid note, (which nobody predicted), shows that the bookies normally clean up.Personally,I think that the current ods of 3-1 on us to go down are about right.Only Bolton and Bury seem to be starting the season in worse shape than we are.

 

[Colchester and proud!]

Yes friendly results mean nothing really because they are no more than training games, I don't bother to attend them these days, I have got too old and critical! We are 10-0 up from our 1st 4 (Ist team) pre season games but they are all against non league opposition. On Friday we play Ipswich (Yawn) and then Charlton at home, which might be better tests, but as I said previously, they are only training exercises the real test starts in August!