Latest Rumours Summer Transfer Window Thread 2019

[Barry.C]

I like Taylors fighting spirit, I think there is a lot more to come from him, he reminds me a bit of Footballs equivalent of Owen Farrell, even a vague look alike when he gets fired up ?

 

[Grapevine]

TM and RK would be a delight to play against for a big target man. We need at least one center back who is superior in the air to these guys.

The key to playing against someone using a target man is to stop the service into him further up the pitch or redirect it into the channels instead of at him.....not to fight fire with fire and see who’s the best.....

 

[Jim Levenstein]

The key to playing against someone using a target man is to stop the service into him further up the pitch or redirect it into the channels instead of at him.....not to fight fire with fire and see who’s the best.....

redirect to the channels where they can cross it in to the bigman in a more dangerous position? Sounds like a good plan.

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

are the you original Westcliff shrimper? are you back?

Since September 2017 I've been Westcliff Shrimper. Before that, South Benfleet Shrimper.

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

Tha

thats a shame I liked mike

Ta bud.

 

[Grapevine]

redirect to the channels where they can cross it in to the bigman in a more dangerous position? Sounds like a good plan.

The idea of a target man is to hit diagonal balls, most often from your full backs, into the target man for midfield runners and wide men coming inside to work off the flick ons.....forcing the full backs to hit long straight balls into the channels really isn’t what the target man wants.....he either stays centrally with no service or like Gillingham away last season when Eaves felt he could ‘sit’ on Elvis and exploit him in the air it becomes quite ineffective to work the wide areas himself.....

 

[rigsby]

The idea of a target man is to hit diagonal balls, most often from your full backs, into the target man for midfield runners and wide men coming inside to work off the flick ons.....forcing the full backs to hit long straight balls into the channels really isn’t what the target man wants.....he either stays centrally with no service or like Gillingham away last season when Eaves felt he could ‘sit’ on Elvis and exploit him in the air it becomes quite ineffective to work the wide areas himself.....

After Eaves scored 3 against us nearly 2 years ago. Turner kept him quiet for the next 3 games. In fact he only moved out wide last season was because he had no joy from Turner. (How important were a rare 6 point double over Gills)

Appreciate what your saying but we are not in the PL and down in L1 or L2 fighting fire with fire can be very effective, inspire the rest of your team and of course entertain the fans.

CP made a mistake in dropping Turner for Shrews away last season. Lee Angol, who is no great player, bullied Moore and White right from the KO and we never recovered.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

The key to playing against someone using a target man is to stop the service into him further up the pitch or redirect it into the channels instead of at him.....not to fight fire with fire and see who’s the best.....

You can't always close down the defenders and goalkeepers to stop them playing these balls. Unrealistic and impossible at every level of football.

You have to mitigated the risk of high balls by having center backs who dominate in the air.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

The idea of a target man is to hit diagonal balls, most often from your full backs, into the target man for midfield runners and wide men coming inside to work off the flick ons.....forcing the full backs to hit long straight balls into the channels really isn’t what the target man wants.....he either stays centrally with no service or like Gillingham away last season when Eaves felt he could ‘sit’ on Elvis and exploit him in the air it becomes quite ineffective to work the wide areas himself.....

Oh redirecting the targetman to the channel not the ball. How do you do that then if he doesn't move out wide?

 

[Grapevine]

Oh redirecting the targetman to the channel not the ball. How do you do that then if he doesn't move out wide?

Wtf? ???

Read it again pal. It clearly says if you force long straight balls into channels or down the line the target man has a choice to either stay central with no service or move out wide where he’s ineffective.

Have an opinion don’t just try and be a smart arse

 

[Grapevine]

CP made a mistake in dropping Turner for Shrews away last season. Lee Angol, who is no great player, bullied Moore and White right from the KO and we never recovered.

Yeah I saw both Gillingham games last season so get what you’re saying. Against Shrews I’d argue that the players in front of Moore and white were ineffective in pressing the ball and working hard enough to deny half decent service....in fact getting pressure on the ball higher up the pitch was one of our main downfalls last season and one of the first things KB tried to address......

 

[Jim Levenstein]

Wtf? ???

Read it again pal. It clearly says if you force long straight balls into channels or down the line the target man has a choice to either stay central with no service or move out wide where he’s ineffective.

Have an opinion don’t just try and be a smart arse

My opinion is at any level of Football you need centre halves who are good in the air. The only way any team is forced to play in the channels is because they are getting no luck against the centre halves. Yes we are going to face big lads up top and that's why you need have big centre halves because teams will play long ball and games are decided on a matter of 'who's best' it's normally why the best team end up on top of the league. Would be nice if we could operate a high press and cut off these balls at full back but we're Southend United not Man City and the likelihood if we played this is 3 decent passes from the other side and they'd be in behind our wingers doubled up on the wing with a big lad in the middle.

 

[Tampa Blue]

If Bishop takes over as Number 1 next season then we will have a keeper who actually wants to control his area and isn't afraid to come off his line and deal with crosses.

Oxley is not great at that part of his game which puts more emphasis on the requirement for a dominant and tall centre half.

Ultimately though, a good big'un is likely toi be better than a good little'un.

 

[rigsby]

Yeah I saw both Gillingham games last season so get what you’re saying. Against Shrews I’d argue that the players in front of Moore and white were ineffective in pressing the ball and working hard enough to deny half decent service....in fact getting pressure on the ball higher up the pitch was one of our main downfalls last season and one of the first things KB tried to address......

One answer would be to play Dru further up the pitch but lets not go there.

Of course you have to put pressure on the ball. A good example of our bad was the 2 Wycombe goals at home last season. Have a look at Dieng on the 1st goal and its easy to see why it didn't take KB to long to suss what most of us already knew.

That aside there is a reason your better off with a Sonny Bradley type CB in L1.......Because as sure as the sun will come up you will have to deal endless balls in and around your own penalty box. No amount of latest coaching theories will stop that.

Just like with our new (and fit) strike force, the Oxley side foot 75yd kick will cause the opposition problems......And no one will be able to stop it no matter how hard they work.

 

[Grapevine]

Ok so at least you’ve offered some thought process to your comments, I can respect that.

My opinion is at any level of Football you need centre halves who are good in the air.

Yep. Agreed. I think we’d all agree that that’s a pre requisite for any centre back at any level at any club anywhere in the world.

The only way any team is forced to play in the channels is because they are getting no luck against the centre halves.

That’s simply not true. Teams at all levels above Bostik South will have a defensive plan that involves “setting traps” in order to force a certain play which enables to to try and dictate how and where you defend best. Pro teams will analyse the opposition to the finest detail in order to negate their game plan or most potent threat.

Yes we are going to face big lads up top and that's why you need have big centre halves because teams will play long ball and games are decided on a matter of 'who's best' it's normally why the best team end up on top of the league.

Yes I agree a lot of teams particularly at this level will play with big men up front. And yes having Centre backs proficient at dealing with that is required. However if you simply rely on who’s best then you will only ever win games where your players are best.....that makes no sense and completely negates the need for tactics, game plans and organisation.

Tactically all teams will approach every game in this very simplified manner......

What are the oppositions strengths? How can we negate them?

What are our oppositions weaknesses? How can we exploit them?

At this level whoever does this best will win games and apart from 2/3 teams at the top and 2/3 at the bottom most clubs players and teams are very much of a muchness in terms of abilities and so these tactical decisions are paramount.

Would be nice if we could operate a high press and cut off these balls at full back but we're Southend United not Man City and the likelihood if we played this is 3 decent passes from the other side and they'd be in behind our wingers doubled up on the wing with a big lad in the middle.

Having a high press is in no way exclusive to the premier league or Man City! If anything it’s one of the most basic forms of defending...of course there is a difference between those that do it well and those that don’t....but a high press is basically a combination of high work rate, organisation, fitness and tactical input.....

Set a trap, force a team to play one way, or one direction or one type of ball.....and make sure that way is not their preferred way.....or to their preferred player.

As an example teams will even allow one centre back to have the ball rather than the other one and will then ensure that player can only play off of one foot or the other (his weaker one) and can only play to one other player.....who is already in the process of being closed down....

It’s really not a who’s best wins type of game at all.....unless you’re Man City afterall ??

 

[Grapevine]

One answer would be to play Dru further up the pitch but lets not go there.

Of course you have to put pressure on the ball. A good example of our bad was the 2 Wycombe goals at home last season. Have a look at Dieng on the 1st goal and its easy to see why it didn't take KB to long to suss what most of us already knew.

That aside there is a reason your better off with a Sonny Bradley type CB in L1.......Because as sure as the sun will come up you will have to deal endless balls in and around your own penalty box. No amount of latest coaching theories will stop that.

Just like with our new (and fit) strike force, the Oxley side foot 75yd kick will cause the opposition problems......And no one will be able to stop it no matter how hard they work.

From a defensive point of view I’m 100% behind Dru being further up the pitch....his speed and willingness to press opponents is one of his strengths.....

KB sussed Dieng within a game as you say...

The 75 yard goal kick that we scored from a couple times at the tail end of the season would have, I can assure you, caused near full scale war in the dressing room over who’s fault it was and how it was allowed to happen ?

 

[MilkeySUFC]

So.....

How many of the previous 45+ pages of posts are about the 2019 summer transfer window?

 

[Grapevine]

So.....

How many of the previous 45+ pages of posts are about the 2019 summer transfer window?

Well.....in the absence of.....it’s turned into a good football discussion ??‍

 

[Napster]

Ok so at least you’ve offered some thought process to your comments, I can respect that.



Yep. Agreed. I think we’d all agree that that’s a pre requisite for any centre back at any level at any club anywhere in the world.



That’s simply not true. Teams at all levels above Bostik South will have a defensive plan that involves “setting traps” in order to force a certain play which enables to to try and dictate how and where you defend best. Pro teams will analyse the opposition to the finest detail in order to negate their game plan or most potent threat.



Yes I agree a lot of teams particularly at this level will play with big men up front. And yes having Centre backs proficient at dealing with that is required. However if you simply rely on who’s best then you will only ever win games where your players are best.....that makes no sense and completely negates the need for tactics, game plans and organisation.

Tactically all teams will approach every game in this very simplified manner......

What are the oppositions strengths? How can we negate them?

What are our oppositions weaknesses? How can we exploit them?

At this level whoever does this best will win games and apart from 2/3 teams at the top and 2/3 at the bottom most clubs players and teams are very much of a muchness in terms of abilities and so these tactical decisions are paramount.



Having a high press is in no way exclusive to the premier league or Man City! If anything it’s one of the most basic forms of defending...of course there is a difference between those that do it well and those that don’t....but a high press is basically a combination of high work rate, organisation, fitness and tactical input.....

Set a trap, force a team to play one way, or one direction or one type of ball.....and make sure that way is not their preferred way.....or to their preferred player.

As an example teams will even allow one centre back to have the ball rather than the other one and will then ensure that player can only play off of one foot or the other (his weaker one) and can only play to one other player.....who is already in the process of being closed down....

It’s really not a who’s best wins type of game at all.....unless you’re Man City afterall ??

Reminds me of when Che was targetted at the LDV final.

 

[SeaSideDoughnut]

So.....

How many of the previous 45+ pages of posts are about the 2019 summer transfer window?

It's the same thing every year. At least we've signed a player though.