Tainted artists

[rigsby]

Er no or you'd have hardly any art of any kind left, bar Cliff Richard.

I thought he was on the Wrong'uns list.

Agree about drugs, not as if their hurting anyone else.

 

[RobM]

Oh yes, of course, but some folk think differently. People fall out of favour for many reasons, even politics!

 

[RobM]

"Agree about drugs, not as if their hurting anyone else."

Not victims of crime to fund drug use, then? Or gang killings? Oh, maybe I'm mistaken then.

 

[Swiss Tony]

How about drug users? Beatles, Clapton, Hendrix, Shakespeare (mandrake, apparently)

I think it would be quicker to name people in the music business who don't dabble.

 

[RobM]

Quite likely!

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

The opening post mentions artists that have caused personal outrage. So I think we know what he's getting at, and it's not drug use, as that's the majority of artists over the years.
Jay Adams is known for helping young lady musicians and pestering them sexually. He also started an internet affair with a 14 year old that he persuaded to send him sexual explicit photo's of her when she was 15 and 16.
I have seen probably all the Michael Jackson documentaries and I have no doubt he was a paedophile. The Neverland Ranch was was made and added to in a way that would give an excuse for children and the intended target (young boys) to be there. He clearly saw an uncomfortable Jordy as his young boyfriend if you watch the footage. Jordy and his parents were paid off along with many others. Those that weren't all had a consistent story that Michael would make it really fun to be with. Then he would persuade them that it was O.K. to sleep in his bed as friends. Then he would ply them with alcohol and get them to watch porn with him to get them sexually excited. Then the abuse would begin with him telling them that it was normal.
Anyway, one of his maids has just broken her silence.

In an exclusive interview with DailyMailTV earlier this month, McManus lifted the lid on the sick behavior she allegedly witnessed during the four years she worked at the Neverland ranch and is in no doubt her former employer was a 'pedophile'.

She claims the star - who has been accused of serious sexual abuse in a shocking new documentary - brought a long line of young boys into his bedroom and that she saw many troubling things while cleaning up after him.

McManus, 56, claims she often fished Jackson's and children's underwear from the jacuzzi and baths at the home, and witnessed kids walking around barely clothed.

She says she found Vaseline and tampons next to Jackson's bed and scattered around the house and recalls the singer having a strange obsession with photos of children.

'There was a lot of Vaseline around Neverland, a lot in Michael’s bedroom,' she recalls.

'I didn’t question it, because he was my boss and you just do what you’re supposed to do, but I would wonder.

'And they had it all over in the main house, there was a rose room, it was up there. They had it in train room, which was kind of like an attic; they had that up there. It was in every room, the soldier room.

'It was in drawers. Sometimes it was on counters. Sometimes they would find it on the golf carts that Michael would take out to drive around.'

McManus would often have to clean up after Jackson had boys over for long weekends.

'I found underwear that were in the back of Michael’s main room and one of the closets and it was in the back of the filing cabinets,' she recalls.

'They were very hard, and crunchy, and yellow, but I didn’t know who they belonged to.

'When I would go in to pick up Mr Jackson’s bedroom, many times when there were his special guests there, little boys, they were taking baths with him in his Jacuzzi. He had a Jacuzzi in the bedroom and I used to have to let the water out of the Jacuzzi, so I had to put hangers together in order to get to the middle of the Jacuzzi to let the water out.

'But Michael would have his underwear floating in the water and the little boys’ underwear floating in the water together. If they weren’t floating in the water, they were outside on the floor around the Jacuzzi. So I would find stuff like that.'

She added: 'With all the little boys he would hold their hands and kiss them. And they would fight for Michael's love. It was a strange environment to watch.'

 

[rigsby]

"Agree about drugs, not as if their hurting anyone else."

Not victims of crime to fund drug use, then? Or gang killings? Oh, maybe I'm mistaken then.

Careful we are straying into politics.

I dare say the Beatles never robbed anyone to fund a drug habit or stabbed anyone for being on their ‘turf’. You don’t judge someone for having a beer because the next man gets punchy after a few pints, or kills someone drink driving.

Like I say if you don’t hurt anyone else.

If you want 13 year old boys to share your bed on a sleep over like Michael Jackson then your a total wrong’un. End of and no court case is needed

 

[LCBB72]

What did your husband do time for?

Supported Southend .

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Tonight, Wed 6th March at 9pm Channel 4. Leaving Neverland. Lots more accounts of abuse by Michael Jackson.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I know someone that spent a fair chunk of money on a sculpture by Rolf Harris

 

[MK Shrimper]

Tonight, Wed 6th March at 9pm Channel 4. Leaving Neverland. Lots more accounts of abuse by Michael Jackson.

It won't change much. MJ is no longer around to defend himself (though he was tried and found not guility). His fans won't have a word said against him and the rest of us always thought he was morally dubious anyhow.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

It won't change much. MJ is no longer around to defend himself (though he was tried and found not guility). His fans won't have a word said against him and the rest of us always thought he was morally dubious anyhow.

So was O.J. Simpson, and then found guilty by a unanimous jury verdict in the civil law suit brought by the victims family's. Both O.J.(first trial) and Michael Jackson had dream teams defending them. The type of teams that can get almost any guilty person found not guilty when things like DNA is not applicable. In Michael Jackson's case they tied witnesses in knots under question, making the jury doubt them. They played on the unreasonable doubt aspect to get him found not guilty. So I don't think in these cases of defences paid Millions of dollars, we can safely say they are not guilty, but we can listen to people that say they were victims, hear their story, and choose to believe them or not.

 

[MK Shrimper]

So was O.J. Simpson, and then found guilty by a unanimous jury verdict in the civil law suit brought by the victims family's. Both O.J.(first trial) and Michael Jackson had dream teams defending them. The type of teams that can get almost any guilty person found not guilty when things like DNA is not applicable. In Michael Jackson's case they tied witnesses in knots under question, making the jury doubt them. They played on the unreasonable doubt aspect to get him found not guilty. So I don't think in these cases of defences paid Millions of dollars, we can safely say they are not guilty, but we can listen to people that say they were victims, hear their story, and choose to believe them or not.

The two men in this documentary stood up in court and defended Jackson. Now he's dead they suddenly accuse him of multiple sexual offences. Why now? Did they take millions in compensation?

However, I doubt there are many who already haven't made up their mind if MJ was paedophile or not. Uber fans will scream that he's innocent regardless of any evidence put in front of them.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

The two men in this documentary stood up in court and defended Jackson. Now he's dead they suddenly accuse him of multiple sexual offences. Why now? Did they take millions in compensation?

However, I doubt there are many who already haven't made up their mind if MJ was paedophile or not. Uber fans will scream that he's innocent regardless of any evidence put in front of them.

One of them said that Michael treated them as his boyfriends. He admitted that he was star struck and fell in love with MJ. He said MJ kept telling him that the love they shared and the feelings, and the sexual things they did were normal. MJ then spent hours telling him what to say if questioned about their love or sharing a bed together. MJ said they could end up in prison if he didn't answer the questions right. He said that's why he defended MJ in court. He said he felt he was an unloved kid at the time and MJ gave him love and attention he needed. Now he's grown up and seeing it from an adults view, he knows MJ was a paedophile and was predatory, and took advantage of many kids like him.
Yes, I do believe his story. Is he trying to make money from his book about it, or from compensation from the Jackson estate? Yes I believe he is.

 

[MK Shrimper]

One of them said that Michael treated them as his boyfriends. He admitted that he was star struck and fell in love with MJ. He said MJ kept telling him that the love they shared and the feelings, and the sexual things they did were normal. MJ then spent hours telling him what to say if questioned about their love or sharing a bed together. MJ said they could end up in prison if he didn't answer the questions right. He said that's why he defended MJ in court. He said he felt he was an unloved kid at the time and MJ gave him love and attention he needed. Now he's grown up and seeing it from an adults view, he knows MJ was a paedophile and was predatory, and took advantage of many kids like him.
Yes, I do believe his story. Is he trying to make money from his book about it, or from compensation from the Jackson estate? Yes I believe he is.

I will watch it and try to judge - however without hard evidence it's only ever going to be circumstantial and there was always that greed that followed MJ around from the hangers on. There's no doubt he was severely ****ed up by fame, whether or not he abused children.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

I will watch it and try to judge - however without hard evidence it's only ever going to be circumstantial and there was always that greed that followed MJ around from the hangers on. There's no doubt he was severely ****ed up by fame, whether or not he abused children.

I think the maid's account of what sort of things went on will help make up your mind. If you're still not convinced, fair enough. She wasn't abused, so is not claiming any sort of compensation. She was warned off years ago and threats were made if she said anything. Hers is more of a guilt trip that she let it go on, from what I've read as to why she is now telling how it was in Neverland.

 

[pottster]

I think the maid's account of what sort of things went on will help make up your mind. If you're still not convinced, fair enough. She wasn't abused, so is not claiming any sort of compensation. She was warned off years ago and threats were made if she said anything. Hers is more of a guilt trip that she let it go on, from what I've read as to why she is now telling how it was in Neverland.

I read the maids account and it wasn't easy reading, people can make up there own minds but I know where I stand.

 

[Mad Cyril]

When these allegations first surfaced many years ago I am pretty sure I heard an interview with George Clinton who said "I know Michael and Michael likes pussy".

 

[MK Shrimper]

I watched most of episode 1 and the only thing that was running through my mind is, "you call yourself parents?" **** me.

 

[Napster]

When these allegations first surfaced many years ago I am pretty sure I heard an interview with George Clinton who said "I know Michael and Michael likes pussy".

No that was Bill Clinton talking about Hilary.