Tainted artists

[Napster]

I watched most of episode 1 and the only thing that was running through my mind is, "you call yourself parents?" **** me.

have you seen Abducted in Plain Sight?

 

[MK Shrimper]

have you seen Abducted in Plain Sight?

Edit: No I havent, but it'll be added to the evergrowing list on things to watch.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

I watched most of episode 1 and the only thing that was running through my mind is, "you call yourself parents?" **** me.

I read that one of the husband's said his wife had also been starstruck, and was loving her son being part of the best pop show on Earth. He said she loved the Hotels and food that Michael paid for. He said she loved all the goodies that went with it, like going into shops and department stores and Michael telling her and the family to pick anything they want. She also loved the sealed envelopes packed with dollar bills. It was all sweetners from MJ to keep the boy close to him to carry on the relationship. But she thought it was to keep her son in the show because he was so good and talented. The husband did not like what was going on, and wanted them home in Australia. Yep, terrible parents, especially the women who had their own agenda.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yep, terrible parents, especially the women who had their own agenda.

I raised my eyebrows at the Australian mum who was laughing at it all like it was all a big game.

 

[GBJ]

Whilst there’s no doubt in my mind that Jackson was a wrong’un, I’ll always scrutinise these people who come out of the woodwork when there’s a TV opportunity.

The maid for example, I don’t believe a word of it. She’s earning a few quid for herself. I mean, let’s have it right, if what she was saying is true, then she’s an accessory after the fact, which means she should face prosecution.

As for this latest documentary, again, I am sceptical because it’s not as if these “victims” were searching out justice & just so happened to find the right TV company willing to help them.

No, the TV company set out to make the programme before even obtaining any witnesses/victims. These guys jumped aboard as soon as they came knocking. I could be wrong, but that doesn’t sound like the behaviour of people who just want to set the record straight. That sounds like the behaviour of people who smell an earner.

Again I must clarify, just becuase I doubt these people, there is no doubt in my mind that Jackson was a proper wrong’un.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Whilst there’s no doubt in my mind that Jackson was a wrong’un, I’ll always scrutinise these people who come out of the woodwork when there’s a TV opportunity.

The maid for example, I don’t believe a word of it. She’s earning a few quid for herself. I mean, let’s have it right, if what she was saying is true, then she’s an accessory after the fact, which means she should face prosecution.

As for this latest documentary, again, I am sceptical because it’s not as if these “victims” were searching out justice & just so happened to find the right TV company willing to help them.

No, the TV company set out to make the programme before even obtaining any witnesses/victims. These guys jumped aboard as soon as they came knocking. I could be wrong, but that doesn’t sound like the behaviour of people who just want to set the record straight. That sounds like eh behaviour of people who smell an earner.

Again I must clarify, just becuase I doubt these people, there is no doubt in my mind that Jackson was a proper wrong’un.

They didn't speak harshly of MJ, in fact you could see they idolised him even now. If they wanted an "earner" they would be shown in tears and/or angry. It was a very matter of fact way they talked about the abuse. As for the maid, I'm sure would only be an accessory after the fact if the police questioned her or the prosecution brought her up as a witness (I haven't reached that point yet, so if she had been I'm unaware).

 

[GBJ]

They didn't speak harshly of MJ, in fact you could see they idolised him even now. If they wanted an "earner" they would be shown in tears and/or angry. It was a very matter of fact way they talked about the abuse. As for the maid, I'm sure would only be an accessory after the fact if the police questioned her or the prosecution brought her up as a witness (I haven't reached that point yet, so if she had been I'm unaware).

I get ya, but which version of their stories were more compelling? The one in court, where they said that this didn’t happen, or the documentary from last night where they said it did happen?

You see my point?

There is of course, every chance that they’re being honest now. But there is a chance that it’s all in hope of an earner.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I get ya, but which version of their stories were more compelling? The one in court, where they said that this didn’t happen, or the documentary from last night where they said it did happen?

You see my point?

There is of course, every chance that they’re being honest now. But there is a chance that it’s all in hope of an earner.

I don't know, and I doubt no one ever will apart from MJ and these men unless some footage turns up - and that is highly unlikely.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

I get ya, but which version of their stories were more compelling? The one in court, where they said that this didn’t happen, or the documentary from last night where they said it did happen?

You see my point?

There is of course, every chance that they’re being honest now. But there is a chance that it’s all in hope of an earner.

The one in court they were still kids. Michael Jackson spent hours telling them what to say and what questions they might be asked, and what their response should be if people asked. They loved him. He told them they would go to jail/prison if they told the truth. Anyone that watched that program last night could surely tell those two were genuine. They admitted a lot, and more or less said they enjoyed the intimate and sexual relationship because they were in love. They didn't like it so much when things got more kinky. Their stories matched as to what MJ liked sexually. In the Basheer interview MJ admitted that he liked young boys to sleep over in his bed, but he said just as friends and nothing would happen. Why do you really think a grown man that was already rumoured to be a paedophile wants young boys to sleep in his bed? That was just MJ saying to parents that it's O.K. for your son to sleep with me as we're just friends.
This is what La Toya's Manager producer Jack Gordon said.
He says Jacko’s obsession with kids began before he bought Neverland. It was going on even when Michael still lived at the Jackson family home, Havenhurst, in Encino, Calif., in the mid to late ’80s.

“He’d take them into his room for three or four days at a time,” Gordon said, “and then the kid would come out looking down and embarrassed.

“He had cameras outside the bedroom to see who was walking by. [When he had a child inside,] he’d call the maid for food, they’d leave it outside the door.”

The kids, he estimates, were between 5 and 10 years old at the time.

“He’d get hold of these children and keep them in the room, and if they cooperated, he took them on the road,” he said. “They dressed up like him and became part of his entourage.”

Gordon maintains that no one questioned Jackson – especially Gordon.

“I thought it was strange,” he said, “but then I thought the whole family was strange. It would never have occurred to me that he was doing this. In fact, I was a young man myself at the time, and truthfully, I didn’t even know what pedophile meant.”

Jackson, he said, was paying all the bills, so everyone looked the other way.

“LaToya and his mother found checks [made out to the boys’] parents for anywhere from $250,000 to $1 million. You tell me,” he said.

During those early years, when the first boy filed charges against Jackson, it was LaToya who often spoke out about her brother.

LaToya was quoted on Dec. 8, 1993, saying, “This has been going on since 1981, and it’s not just one child.”

 

[GBJ]

The one in court they were still kids. Michael Jackson spent hours telling them what to say and what questions they might be asked, and what their response should be if people asked. They loved him. He told them they would go to jail/prison if they told the truth. Anyone that watched that program last night could surely tell those two were genuine. They admitted a lot, and more or less said they enjoyed the intimate and sexual relationship because they were in love. They didn't like it so much when things got more kinky. Their stories matched as to what MJ liked sexually. In the Basheer interview MJ admitted that he liked young boys to sleep over in his bed, but he said just as friends and nothing would happen. Why do you really think a grown man that was already rumoured to be a paedophile wants young boys to sleep in his bed? That was just MJ saying to parents that it's O.K. for your son to sleep with me as we're just friends.
This is what La Toya's Manager producer Jack Gordon said.
He says Jacko’s obsession with kids began before he bought Neverland. It was going on even when Michael still lived at the Jackson family home, Havenhurst, in Encino, Calif., in the mid to late ’80s.

“He’d take them into his room for three or four days at a time,” Gordon said, “and then the kid would come out looking down and embarrassed.

“He had cameras outside the bedroom to see who was walking by. [When he had a child inside,] he’d call the maid for food, they’d leave it outside the door.”

The kids, he estimates, were between 5 and 10 years old at the time.

“He’d get hold of these children and keep them in the room, and if they cooperated, he took them on the road,” he said. “They dressed up like him and became part of his entourage.”

Gordon maintains that no one questioned Jackson – especially Gordon.

“I thought it was strange,” he said, “but then I thought the whole family was strange. It would never have occurred to me that he was doing this. In fact, I was a young man myself at the time, and truthfully, I didn’t even know what pedophile meant.”

Jackson, he said, was paying all the bills, so everyone looked the other way.

“LaToya and his mother found checks [made out to the boys’] parents for anywhere from $250,000 to $1 million. You tell me,” he said.

During those early years, when the first boy filed charges against Jackson, it was LaToya who often spoke out about her brother.

LaToya was quoted on Dec. 8, 1993, saying, “This has been going on since 1981, and it’s not just one child.”

As I said, a complete and utter wrong’un. I wouldn’t have trusted him with a child’s doll, let alone an actual human child.

But then we come back to the unscrupulous nature of these revelations. The person you’ve quoted, suggesting that everyone looked the other way, because Jackson was paying the bills, but he tried to defend that by claiming he didn’t even know what a nonce was.

Firstly, I don’t buy that. Everyone knows what a nonce is. Secondly, he’s revealed his morals in that very statement... money > truth. Bit of a tough ask, to take the word of a man like that.

 

[GBJ]

Sticking with this story about Jackson, here’s award-winning journalist Charles Thompson’s take on it.

Well worth a read, and IMO, exposes these two charlatans for what they are; degenerate opportunists, who are doing a disservice to the true victims of this kind of abuse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/ay42cx

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Think about it. When MJ was first accused of being a paedophile that was abusing young boys, the first thing a normal person would do is never sleep with any young boys again, for obvious reasons. He didn't do that. He invited the camera's in and said he is Peter Pan, and that he's really a child that never grew up, and it's O.K. for him to sleep with young boys as it's just a friend thing. So he wanted an excuse to still sleep with young boys. The truth is almost certainly that he was a paedophile and couldn't stop sleeping with boys and having a sexual relationship, to fulfil his needs and desires. In 1993 another 13 year old boy confessed to his parents what was happening during the sleepovers. He could even describe distinguishing marks around Michael Jackson's genitals. The police arrested MJ and photographed his genitals. Obviously the boy was right about the marks as the parents were offered $23 Million, which they accepted to drop charges. Anyway, part 2 tonight 9pm Channel 4.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Michael Jackson’s California home contained a considerable stash of pornography as well as sexual imagery featuring children, S&M and animal torture, according to purported police reports from the 2003 investigation of the superstar for child molestation.

Jackson’s Neverland Ranch near Santa Barbara was raided in November 2003, shortly before the Thriller singer was charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of providing an intoxicant to a minor under the age of 14.

The report from the raid was never made public. But now Radar Online has obtained what appear to be the case documents. Among the items found at Jackson's home were images of children bleeding or in pain, and of children’s faces superimposed onto adult bodies.
During the raid, investigators also found drugs that could be used to treat sex addiction, with prescriptions written by several different doctors

 

[GBJ]

Think about it. When MJ was first accused of being a paedophile that was abusing young boys, the first thing a normal person would do is never sleep with any young boys again, for obvious reasons. He didn't do that. He invited the camera's in and said he is Peter Pan, and that he's really a child that never grew up, and it's O.K. for him to sleep with young boys as it's just a friend thing. So he wanted an excuse to still sleep with young boys. The truth is almost certainly that he was a paedophile and couldn't stop sleeping with boys and having a sexual relationship, to fulfil his needs and desires. In 1993 another 13 year old boy confessed to his parents what was happening during the sleepovers. He could even describe distinguishing marks around Michael Jackson's genitals. The police arrested MJ and photographed his genitals. Obviously the boy was right about the marks as the parents were offered $23 Million, which they accepted to drop charges. Anyway, part 2 tonight 9pm Channel 4.

Did you read that article mate? That’s straight from a top-drawer, investigative journo.

At the very least it casts doubts over the claims of these two.

That being said, I’m not dismissing claims that Jackson was a peado. But these two can’t be taken at their word.

Regarding the payouts, as far as I’m aware, they were done in order to avoid the civil lawsuits. Jackson (and the Estate) didn’t want to deal with that so that was his way out of it. Worth noting however, that he was happy to defend himself in the criminal trials, of which many of the recipients of these payouts, accused him anyway.

The payouts were simply an out-of-court settlement.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Did you read that article mate? That’s straight from a top-drawer, investigative journo.

At the very least it casts doubts over the claims of these two.

That being said, I’m not dismissing claims that Jackson was a peado. But these two can’t be taken at their word.

Regarding the payouts, as far as I’m aware, they were done in order to avoid the civil lawsuits. Jackson (and the Estate) didn’t want to deal with that so that was his way out of it. Worth noting however, that he was happy to defend himself in the criminal trials, of which many of the recipients of these payouts, accused him anyway.

The payouts were simply an out-of-court settlement.

How do you explain the 13 year old being able to pinpoint distinguishing marks on Michael Jackson's genitals?
Michael Jackson always had a special young boy friend he would tour with and stay with, normally in his bedroom once the parents allowed it, at hotels and Neverland throughout most his adult life. He went through a stage where he had the chosen one for about a year and then would discard and go onto the next one.
How do you explain untold pornographic pictures and video's of young boys mainly, as well as other sick stuff? If you're not a paedo, you wouldn't have this stuff of young boys. It's clearly what he was into. I for example have never, and could not ever watch a video of that type containing children. I think that would go for most of us, but I bet almost every paedo has this stuff or has watched this stuff. MJ had mountains of the stuff. Why?

 

[GBJ]

How do you explain the 13 year old being able to pinpoint distinguishing marks on Michael Jackson's genitals?
Michael Jackson always had a special young boy friend he would tour with and stay with, normally in his bedroom once the parents allowed it, at hotels and Neverland throughout most his adult life. He went through a stage where he had the chosen one for about a year and then would discard and go onto the next one.
How do you explain untold pornographic pictures and video's of young boys mainly, as well as other sick stuff? If you're not a paedo, you wouldn't have this stuff of young boys. It's clearly what he was into. I for example have never, and could not ever watch a video of that type containing children. I think that would go for most of us, but I bet almost every paedo has this stuff or has watched this stuff. MJ had mountains of the stuff. Why?

You know the answer.

Like I said, I’m not defending him in the slightest. I absolutely agree with you that he was a proper, inexcusable wrong’un & without doubt had peadophilic tendencies.

However, that doesn’t prove that these two are telling he truth. They’ve already been proven as liars, and the circumstantial evidence in that link I posted above, would suggest that they are lying again, now.

Read that link mate. It exposes these two for the frauds that they are. I fully believe that Jackson was a predator, but I don’t for one second believe these charlatans were victims of his. The evidence to back that up, is in the link.