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Ted Kennedy has been awarded an honorary knighthood by the British government.

Why? This is a man who constantly supported the IRA at the height of "The Troubles" and is suspected of using his high ranking Irish mates to raise cash for them via Noraid in the 1970's.

He has never been a friend to this country as indeed nor was his bootlegger father, Joseph who as US ambassador told FDR during the war not to support England against Hitler as "they were all but beaten"...

Added to this, Ted Kennedy's shameful behaviour at Chappaquaddick, where he left poor Mary Jo Kopechene to die and later lied about this to save his own skin should debar him from this honour on it's own.

Why does this country reward people like this? It certainly defies belief that anybody could feel him worthy of a knighthood, now or ever.
 
I would imagine this "award" is more by way of a favour to Obama in view of Brown being in Washington this week to address the Senate. Kennedy supported Obama's campaign for the Presidency and has been a Senator for 40+ years.

However he's from a Boston Irish family and as such will be misty eyed about the "auld country" and will support so called freedom fighters and their cause. Joe Kennedy was a serial adulterer, so it's no surprise that both JFK & RFK were like father like son. But as said Joe Kennedy was a poisonous enemy of pre war Britain and did his utmost to deflect FDR from supporting Britain when this country stood alone against Hitler. Fortunately FDR was not influenced by this man.

As far as Teddy Kennedy goes I couldn't trust a man who can't drive over narrow bridges when he's as ****ed as a fart.
 
Another spectacular own goal from our glorious goverment.

It sticks in the craw, but far from being an own goal I agree with Canvey - an astute bit of buttering-up of the USA in general and B.O. in particular. Especially as the bloke isn't going to see out the year, it seems.

Obama has little reason to like this country for personal family reasons so, unfortunately, we need to do a bit of boot licking. Will also go down well with Sinn Féin, and with "dissident republicans" seeking to drag Ireland backwards by a couple of decades, Sinn Féin have an important role to play on our side now (Oh the nauseating irony!) The only group that this will deeply upset is the Loyalists, and frankly they have little influence at the moment.
 
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Also Gordon Brown is a big fan of the most radical of the Kennedys- Bobby - and wrote a chapter on him in his own 'Profiles of Courage' a year or so ago.
 
Never fails to amaze me how this country rewards mediocrity. This man's has only "achieved" what he has in life due to the fact that he was born with the name Kennedy.

Yes, I know he only has a short time to go now due to his brain tumour but what a pathetic and totally un-deserved "honour" this is to somebody who is no more than a drunk and indeed a murderer. Hopefully now he is near to meeting his maker, he knows that he is about to be judged for what he did to poor Mary Jo Kopechne and he will not be able to lie his way out of that nor use his family influence to save his skin this time.

What next? A knighthood for Whacko Jacko or a state funeral for Jade Goody maybe? The way things are with this country now, you cannot rule out anything.
 
A drunk, a murderer and supporter of the IRA. And now a Knight. As Littlejohn would say, you really couldn't make it up. What next? Lord Winston Silcott?
 
And how about an OBE for Ted's mate while we're about it?

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The decision to award an honorary knighthood to Senator Edward Kennedy shows Britain at its most masochistic, New Labour at its most cynical and - if he accepts it - Kennedy at his most hypocritical.

To bestow such a distinction on a man who has spent almost all his adult life profoundly opposed to the United Kingdom's best interests also makes a mockery of the honours system.

Ever since Patrick Kennedy (Ted's Irish great-grandfather) set foot on Noddle Island, Boston, on April 21, 1849, the family has nursed a deep resentment against the country that they blame for forcing them out of County Wexford during the Great Potato Famine.

Ted Kennedy's father, Joe, who had made his money from bootlegging in the Prohibition era, became American ambassador to London from 1938 to 1940. As the U.S. envoy, he was an unrelenting appeaser and as unhelpful to Britain as it was possible to be in those perilous days, believing that Adolf Hitler was going to win the war.

Derided as a coward and known as 'Jittery Joe' for panicking when bombs were falling, his term as ambassador ended abruptly, along with his political ambitions, during the Blitz in November 1940 when he remarked: 'Democracy is finished in England.' Within a month he was forced to resign.

Over all matters concerning Ireland, the Kennedys have taken a pro-Nationalist line that has been deeply antagonistic to the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is why it is absurd for Gordon Brown to make this award, in the words of its official citation, 'for services to U.S.-UK relations and to Northern Ireland'.

For it is no exaggeration to say that Ted Kennedy did his damnedest to poison U.S.-UK relations over Ulster during the long decades in which he has castigated successive British governments. Rather than expressing any genuine commitment to peace in Northern Ireland, he would always play exclusively to his own Catholic-Irish voters in Massachusetts, whom he has represented in the Senate for more than 46 years.

Although he was always careful to use weasel words to condemn violence on both sides, it was always for Britain and the Ulster Protestants that he reserved his most withering rebukes. For the Queen to be obliged to honour this man is nothing less than an obscenity.

Let us look more closely at his record in relation to Ulster. In 1971, Kennedy likened the British presence there to the American invasion of Vietnam - a despicable analogy at a time when U.S. troops were using the poisonous chemical Agent Orange and napalm against the Vietcong.

He went on to state that the Protestants of Ulster 'should be given a decent opportunity to go back to Britain'. The fact that they had been in Ulster for 360 years - three times as long as the Kennedys had been in America - clearly passed him by. It was not until St Patrick's Day 1977 that Ted acknowledged that the Protestants might be allowed to remain in their homeland.

In 1978, he successfully pressured President Jimmy Carter's administration not to allow the U.S. to sell arms to the Royal Ulster Constabulary - sanctions which effectively equated Britain's Ulster police force with repressive dictatorial regimes in Africa and Asia.

It was no coincidence that he raised the flag of Irish nationalism whenever his Senate seat came up for re-election. His call for British withdrawal from Northern Ireland in 1980 was condemned as ignorant grandstanding by the great Irish statesman Conor Cruise O'Brien, but it went down well in the Irish pubs in Boston where money was raised for the shamelessly pro-IRA fundraising organisation Noraid.

True to form, Kennedy blamed British 'insensitivity' for the 1981 hunger strikes led by the terrorist Bobby Sands in Belfast's Maze prison, rather than the IRA for the continuing murderous strife in Northern Ireland.

We can only be thankful in Britain that Ted Kennedy narrowly missed being elected as Democratic candidate for the Presidency in 1980, for he might have won the White House.

His chances were wrecked by those still unanswered questions about the death by drowning 11 years earlier of 29-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, a pretty political assistant, in a car driven by Kennedy.

It is important to go back to that horrific incident - and to Kennedy's despicable behaviour on the night - to explain why his character alone ought to disqualify him from any British honour, irrespective of his shameful support for the terrorist IRA.

At 12.45am on July 18, 1969, and with Mary Jo in his car, Kennedy - who had been drinking and partying - drove off the Dike Bridge connecting Martha's Vineyard (where the Kennedys had their holiday retreat on America's East coast) with Chappaquiddick Island.

He managed to extricate himself, walk back to his motel, complain to the manager about a noisy party, take a shower, sleep the night, chat to a friend the next morning, order two newspapers, meet his lawyers and finally report the accident to the police at 9.45am.

By then, however, his car had been spotted and Mary Jo's corpse had been found by a fire department diver, Captain John Farrar, at 8.45am.

She had not drowned, but had survived in an air pocket inside the car, only to asphyxiate when the oxygen finally ran out several hours later. The brutal fact is that had Kennedy alerted the police earlier, Mary Jo might be alive today.

She was given no autopsy and Kennedy was not charged with drink-driving, but merely given a two-month suspended sentence for leaving the scene of an accident. To this day, Kennedy has not apologised to Mary Jo's family, and, of course, the tragedy did not for a moment affect his future rampant drinking and womanising.

Many questions about what happened at Chappaquiddick remain unanswered, for Kennedy - who was expelled from Harvard for cheating in his exams - has given contradictory explanations to some questions and refused to answer others.

Yet this is the man Labour intends to award the same honour as has previously been given to true American 'greats' such as Ronald Reagan, 'Stormin' ' Norman Schwarzkopf, Colin Powell, Caspar Weinberger, Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, George Patton and several other equally distinguished military, diplomatic and religious figures.

Without the tragedy of his brothers' assassinations, and the magic of his family name, Ted Kennedy would be nothing.

'If your name was simply Edward Moore instead of Edward Moore Kennedy,' one Democratic rival for his Senate seat told him, 'your candidacy would be a joke.'

Now, Labour, which is supposed to abhor nepotism, is about to reward the most egregious example of nepotism in America today. That Kennedy is suffering from a brain tumour is very sad, but surely it is no reason to honour him.

Labour argues that Ted Kennedy aided, and was a great supporter of, the Northern Irish peace process and, therefore, deserves this honour - but, once again, let us look at his record.

It is true that he lobbied President Clinton hard in 1996 to award Gerry Adams an American visa (Adams promptly used his subsequent U.S. visit to raise money for Sinn Fein) and later to get him invited to the White House. But it is quite wrong to suggest, as the American historian Arthur Schlesinger does, that these initiatives 'led to the IRA ceasefire and the Good Friday accords'.

These, in fact, only came about as a result of the IRA's political and military leadership recognising that they had been defeated on the ground by 1996-98. All that these American invitations afforded Adams, apart from flattering his ego, was to lend Sinn Fein an utterly spurious respectability on the world stage.

Only after 9/11 - when Americans discovered on their own soil how loathsome terrorism truly is, and how far from a noble romantic struggle - did Kennedy cynically distance himself from Adams and fellow Sinn Fein stalwart Martin McGuinness, refusing to meet them in 2005 after the IRA brutally murdered Robert McCartney in a Belfast bar in January that year.

This was not a point of principle so much as a political realignment. Anyone who has seen Ted Kennedy at work in politics - as I did when I was a Senatorial speechwriter 25 years ago - will recognise that he is a master of points of order, 'poison-pill amendments', tactical manoeuvres and deft political re-positionings.

It was this same self-interest and political nous that led Kennedy to support Barack Obama early on in his Presidency campaign, for which Obama has thanked him profusely.

Now, Gordon Brown wishes to ingratiate himself to the President by giving a knighthood to Obama's political ally, using the Northern Ireland peace process as the excuse even though it is utterly inappropriate.

This knighthood is nothing less than a disgrace to the honours system.

Andrew Roberts in the Mail
 
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I agree Rusty, but then so many of the knighthoods dished out by recent Governments have been as well, maybe not as outstandingly inappropriate as this one, but nevertheless, an insult to those fromprevious generations who actually did something noteable to merit the honour being bestowed.
 
Conservative MPs are right to rage that Ted Kennedy, the senior US senator from Massachusetts who is dying of cancer, is going to be given an honorary knighthood. But one has to ask if they are furious for quite the right reason.

So far, all one has heard from the Tories is anger that the Queen must now honour a politician who has for decades been allied to the Irish republican movement.

Certainly, Kennedy has a history of taking the Provisional Sinn Fein line. But being friendly with Gerry Adams and the other Shinners is hardly the worst of what Ted Kennedy has done in his life. Examine Kennedy’s personal history and you will see that it is inexcusable that the prime minister should force the Queen to honour such a man.


Kennedy’s character has been flawed from the start, but then he came from bad stock. His father Joe Kennedy made no secret of the fortune he made from bootlegging during Prohibition or his decades-long close connections with the heavies of organised crime. Nor did he make any secret of his adulterous affairs with such women as the Hollywood star Gloria Swanson, at a time when such affairs were scandalous.

Ted Kennedy, the spoilt baby of Joe and Rose Kennedy’s vast brood, was a poor student at his private school, but his family ensured he was admitted to Harvard University.

Ted couldn’t manage the work. In order to avoid certain failure on a Spanish exam, he paid another, brighter student to sit the exam for him. Both students were caught and expelled. Family pressure ensured Ted was eventually readmitted.

When he was then manoeuvred by his rich family into the prestigious University of Virginia Law School, he was cited four times by local police for reckless driving. On one occasion he was stopped by police late at night driving at 90 miles an hour through a suburban street with his headlights off.

How did a cheating knucklehead end up, aged 30, with a seat in the Senate? Easy. His older brother Jack vacated one of the seats in the Kennedy home state of Massachusetts when he was elected US President in 1960.

Since in 1960 Teddy was not yet old enough to take a seat in the Senate - Article One of the US Constitution bars anyone under the age of 30 - his father had the governor of Massachusetts appoint a tame family friend to occupy the seat until Ted (or ‘Teddy’ as he was still known at that time) was old enough to take it in 1962. Then the friend stepped down.

Or as Joe was reported to have said about the seat, ‘It’s mine, I bought it.’

All of which tells you a lot about what sort of man Ted Kennedy was. But the key moment of his life, the moment which crystallised his character is known by one word: Chappaquiddick.
Most people in Britain, if they know Chappaquiddick at all, only know something about Kennedy and a car accident in which a girl died. But it was far worse than just some accident.

In August 1969 Kennedy abandoned Mary Jo Kopechne, a 28-year old campaign worker, to drown at midnight in a car he had driven over the side of a wooden bridge on Chappaquiddick, a small holiday island near Martha’s Vineyard.

The married senator and Mary Jo had left a party together in his mother’s Oldsmobile. They got as far as Dyke’s Bridge, which leads over Poucha Pond to a deserted beach, but Kennedy ran the car over the side into the water.

Kennedy got himself out of the submerged car, but he didn’t go back for Mary Jo. He didn’t even ring for the police or the rescue squad, though there were four cottages nearby and he could have rung from any one of them.

Instead he ran away to find a lawyer. The police only heard about the accident the next day, after some fishermen found the overturned car in the water.

At the inquest it was estimated that Mary Jo had stayed alive for about 25 minutes as she sucked the last oxygen out of the air bubble in the car. That would have been enough time to rescue her, if Kennedy had called for help.

The worst sanction Kennedy received for the death of Mary Jo was a conviction for the misdemeanour of leaving the scene of an accident, with a two-month suspended sentence.

As critics pointed out, since Chappaquiddick is in Massachusetts, there was little chance of justice being done. In almost any other state, Kennedy would have served a prison sentence.

However, the death of Mary Jo meant that Kennedy could never secure his party’s nomination for President. Despite his support among Democrats, the party’s leaders knew that, no matter how many years passed, the word ‘Chappaquiddick’ would taint any campaign.

So Kennedy instead built up his power in the Senate. He based his power on following the dogma of the hard left of the Democratic party.

For example, he has given unwavering support for the most ruthless and cruel form of abortion, a procedure known as partial-birth abortion: in other words, Kennedy has been a consistent supporter of the law that allows a full-term baby to be killed in the birth canal - without anaesthetic.

Or a 29-year old woman to be killed in his car - without hope.

Mary Ellen Synon - Mail Online
 
A bridge too far?

And the caption is.

"I'll drive home guys I'm not p***ed."

Fantastic, Harry- just reminded me of a press quip from the primaries back in 1980. They were speculating on EMK's answer to a question on what would he do if faced with putting his finger on the 'go nuclear' button & reckoned he "would cross that bridge when he comes to it..." :)
ps couldn't green rep you for this- got to 'spread it around' first.
 
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