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Benfleet A1

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The next time a link to The Guardian is rammed down your neck by those that would eat the rich, demand socialism and deny choice, then consider this. A list of Guardian contributors who demand equality for the downtrodden but have, of course, never experienced hardship and never will. I give you, the school list.

Guardian Staff: (all school fees are as 2013/14)

Katherine Viner / Ripon Grammar School (Selective) / Pembroke College, Oxford (English)
Alan Rusbridger / Cranleigh Independent Boarding School (per term £10610) / Magdalene College, Cambridge (Eng Lit)
Martin Kettle / Leeds Modern School (Grammar) / Balliol College, Oxford.
George Monbiot / Stowe (fees per term Day £7500 / Boarding £10325) / Brasenose College, Oxford (Zoology)
Jonathan Freedland / University College Independent School, Hampstead (per term £5720) – / Wadham College, Oxford
Catherine Bennett / Lawnswood High School /Hertford College, Oxford.
Zoe Williams / Godolphin and Latymer Girls School (per term £5760)
/ Lincoln College, Oxford (Modern History)
Tanya Gold / Kingston Grammar School (Independent – admission by exam and interview) / Merton College, Oxford
Marina Hyde / Downe House for Girls (per term Day: £7 910 / Boarder £10930) / Christ Church, Oxford (English)
Bidisha Bandyopadhyay / Haberdashers’ Aske’s Independent School for Girls (admission by exam and interview) / St Edmund Hall, Oxford (Old and Middle English, LSE (MSc in Moral and Political Philosophy and Economic History)
Emily Bell / ? / Christ Church College, Oxford (Jurisprudence)
Peter Bradshaw / The Haberdashers’ Aske’s Independent Boys’ School (admission by exam and interview) / Pembroke College, Cambridge (English)
David Mitchell / Abingdon School Oxford est. 1100 (per term Day £5290 / Boarder £11180) / Peterhouse, Cambridge (History)
Riazat Butt / ? / /A. N. Other College, Oxford
David Shariatmadari / ? / King’s College, Cambridge
Timothy Garton-Ash / Sherborne School est 1550 (per term Day £8545 / Boarder £10555) / St. Antony’s College, Oxford (Modern History)
Simon Tisdall / Holland Park School (generally receives 1000 applicants for its 240 places a year) / Downing College, Cambridge (History, Politics and Philosophy)
Jane Martinson / ? / A. N. Other College, Cambridge (English)
John Hooper / St Benedict’s Independent School, London (per tern £4450)
/ St Catharine’s College, Cambridge
Ian Black / ? / A.N. Other College, Cambridge
Sam Leith / Eton College (per term £11090) / Magdalen College, Oxford
Peter Preston / Loughborough Grammar School est 1495 (per term Day £3575 / Boarder £7705) / St John’s College, Oxford
Andrew Rawnsley / Lawrence Sheriff School (selective boy’s grammar) / Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge (History)
Simon Jenkins / Mill Hill School est 1807 (per term Day £5948 Boarder £9398) / St John’s College, Oxford (PPE)
Alexander Chancellor / Eton College (per term £11090) / Trinity Hall, Cambridge
Richard Norton-Taylor / Kings School, Canterbury (per term Day £8090 Boarder £10745) / Hertford College, Oxford
Clare Armitstead / Bedales (per term Day £8,590 Boarder £10,930) / St Hilda’s College, Oxford (English)
Janine Gibson / Walthamstow Hall Independent School for Girls (per term £5470) / St John’s College, Oxford (Eng Lit)
Martin Wainwright / Shrewsbury School Independent School est 1552 (per term Day £7100 Boarder £10140) / Merton College, Oxford
Victoria Coren / She attended various girls’ independent schools from the ages of 5 to 18 / St. John’s College, Oxford (English)
Nick Cohen / Altrincham Grammar School for Boys est 1912 (admission by exam and interview) / Hertford College, Oxford (PPE)
Ben Goldacre / ? / Magdalen College, Oxford (Medicine)
Seumas Milne / Winchester College Independent School for Boys est 1382 (per term Boarder £11250) / Balliol College, Oxford (PPE)
Rowenna Davis / Hampstead School (Comp) est 1862 / Balliol College, Oxford (PPE)
Hadley Freeman / She attended a “boarding school in Cambridge” / St Anne’s College, Oxford (Eng Lit)
John Harris / Wilmslow High School formerly Wilmslow County Grammar School / Queen’s College, Oxford (PPE)

Socialist values? I **** on them.
 

Beefy

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The way people talk about The Guardian you'd think it was The Socialist Worker.
 

southendkid

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Why exactly does coming from a rich background mean you can't sympathise with lower class issues? I will never experience homophobia because I'm straight, does that mean I shouldn't care about it?
 

Blueronron

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The top jobs in most industries go to people from a privileged background, journalism is no different.

Absolute bollox, my son was raised in Basildon, went to comprehensive school, went to Palmers college and got into Cambridge and has a top job through hard work
Perhaps if you got the chip off your shoulder then maybe people like you who seem to be narrow minded maybe able to do better for yourself
And yes I am labour supporter proud of my working class back ground and council estate upbringing.
Rant over

UTS
 

Another Surrey Shrimper

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Absolute bollox, my son was raised in Basildon, went to comprehensive school, went to Palmers college and got into Cambridge and has a top job through hard work
Perhaps if you got the chip off your shoulder then maybe people like you who seem to be narrow minded maybe able to do better for yourself
And yes I am labour supporter proud of my working class back ground and council estate upbringing.
Rant over

UTS
Woah back tiger. You are offering up a poll of one person and claiming that on this evidence people from private schools don't claim many of the top jobs? I think you might need to cast your survey a bit wider. Maybe you didn't read the opening post?

If you are going to rant please aim it elsewhere as 12 seconds of research will tell you that the sentence I wrote is true. How do you have any idea if I have 'bettered' myself or not?
 

Pubey

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Why exactly does coming from a rich background mean you can't sympathise with lower class issues? I will never experience homophobia because I'm straight, does that mean I shouldn't care about it?

Indeed, especially harsh to start judging people because of the decisions their parents will have made about which school to send them to.
 

RHB

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Indeed, especially harsh to start judging people because of the decisions their parents will have made about which school to send them to.

I might just have to disagree with you over numbers 2 & 8 below:

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Benfleet A1

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I might just have to disagree with you over numbers 2 & 8 below:

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And there is the whole point. You have issue with two of those in the above photo who both come from a privileged background but will except the ramblings of others who come from exactly the same sort of families of wealth. I wonder why that is.
 

Pubey

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And there is the whole point. You have issue with two of those in the above photo who both come from a privileged background but will except the ramblings of others who come from exactly the same sort of families of wealth. I wonder why that is.

I agree with your point, but I'm pretty sure the level of wealth and influence required to be accepted into the Bullingdon Club was on a different level to 'regular' people in public school who had the brains to go to Oxbridge.

Oxbridge =/= wealth. Also, public school doesn't always =/= wealth. My cousin is from a regular middle class background and was means tested and went to Harrow on a scholarship, because he did really well at primary school.
 

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And there is the whole point. You have issue with two of those in the above photo who both come from a privileged background but will except the ramblings of others who come from exactly the same sort of families of wealth. I wonder why that is.

My post was a gratuitous cheap swipe at a couple of the great and good. I'm fascinated to know just what makes you think that I except the ramblings of others who come from exactly the same sort of families of wealth?
 

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And there is the whole point. You have issue with two of those in the above photo who both come from a privileged background but will except the ramblings of others who come from exactly the same sort of families of wealth. I wonder why that is.
Your point seemed to be that those from a wealthy background should not have an opinion on inequality. Those people are in a much better position to highlight issues so more power to those that do than those that don't see it as their issue.
 

Benfleet A1

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My post was a gratuitous cheap swipe at a couple of the great and good. I'm fascinated to know just what makes you think that I except the ramblings of others who come from exactly the same sort of families of wealth?

Perhaps you should make yourself more clear when making cheap swipes, as you put it.
 

Benfleet A1

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Your point seemed to be that those from a wealthy background should not have an opinion on inequality. Those people are in a much better position to highlight issues so more power to those that do than those that don't see it as their issue.

My point is that those from wealthy backgrounds who highlight inequality haven't ever had to suffer from the very poverty and austerity they say the rest of us are under and wouldn't be prepared to put themselves in that position. I find it hypocritical.
 

Pubey

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My point is that those from wealthy backgrounds who highlight inequality haven't ever had to suffer from the very poverty and austerity they say the rest of us are under and wouldn't be prepared to put themselves in that position. I find it hypocritical.

Just because they might not have been in that position themselves, doesn't stop them from empathising and believing something to be wrong.

I'm not black, but can understand racist abuse, know why it's wrong, empathise with victims and want to do what I can to stop it.

It's not necessarily about the particular context (are you a victim or are you 'privileged'), it's can you put yourself in someone elses shoes and can you recognise that they we're 'born with the hand they were dealt' - whether that's their skin colour, gender, parental wealth etc. Those are things you can't do anything about, and so why should you be treated differently on the basis of that?
 

Benfleet A1

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Just because they might not have been in that position themselves, doesn't stop them from empathising and beleving something to be wrong.

I'm not black, but can understand racist abuse, know why it's wrong, empathise with victims and want to do what I can to stop it.

It's not necessarily about the particular context (are you a victim or are you 'privileged'), it's can you put yourself in someone elses shoes and can you recognise that they we're 'born with the hand they were dealt' - whether that's their skin colour, gender, parental wealth etc. Those are things you can't do anything about, and so why should you be treated differently on the basis of that?

Then why do those listed do exactly the opposite. Every day it's 'Blame the rich, they just don't get it and they have never been in these situations' It turns out that those writing about it are as much a part of the problem they try to convince you of as everyone they target for blame. Look at Polly Toynbe, I wonder which property her latest anti establishment ramble was typed from, Tuscany? South of France?
 

Neil_F

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The top jobs in most industries go to people from a privileged background, journalism is no different.

Got any data?

if you look at the CEOs of the FTSE 100 a majority were not privately educated. Indeed, there is an increasing percentage of immigrants in those roles because merit counts more than anything else.

I'm sure it is different in the media and politics because there is no financial imperative to be competent.
 
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