The Labour Assassins and The Tory victory.

[number11]

You mean like it did in 1945,1964,1966,1974 (twice),1997 etc?

Thank you for listing years labour won a GE. Not sure it assists the point in hand that labour didn't convince people they were likely to be competent.

Do you think labour succeeded in gaining the confidence of the British public in this general election??! I (and the results) would suggest not.

 

[Benfleet A1]

You mean like it did in 1945,1964,1966,1974 (twice),1997 etc?

I wonder what the huge gaps in those dates suggest.

 

[RHB]

Sadly a number of people have suggested that in thread.

That's the nature of ShrimperZone, especially after an event has bruised people badly, human nature I'm afraid. I would expect the same on here if the outcome had been the other way round.

The focus on balancing the economy/deficit appears to have the upper ground in government thinking and public services and welfare will again be the losers in order to fund these policies. That is why some folk think that a Tory Government doesn't have much of a social conscience. It doesn't mean that all Tories don't care, that would be ridiculous, but as a Conservative ethic, social welfare is not top of the pile. I fully expect to see major inroads into the NHS during this term, with far more private health firms picking up lucrative business. You only have to listen to the Lynton Crosby mantra to realise what some of the advice to Government will be. I guess mine is only an opinion and I will not know anything concrete for a few years yet. I just hope it's not to late for the NHS by then, we shall see.

 

[RHB]

I wonder what the huge gaps in those dates suggest.

That sometimes the great British public like Labour governments and sometime they like Conservative governments, nothing else be inferred.

 

[Firestorm]

So everyone who voted Conservative has this view then? I thought you would have been a bit more open minded than that and to be fair your assumption is complete bullocks.
If society prospers we all prosper and if some prosper more than others, maybe that could be an incentive for others to aim for, if of course that's what they want.

Its also worth pointing out that not everyone basis happiness on how much money they have and we are not all involved in the money chase.

Ok , maybe a rash assumption.
Care to hazard a guess at the number of people who thought that voting conservative was the way to allay concerns about the cuts to the welfare state over the past five years.
I am all for society prospering, but prosperity is not just about money, everyone can prosper equally if the emphasis is on social issues

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

It's good that those of a Conservative persuasion have provided reasoned argument that Tories are not all self centred folk. I didn't think for a moment they were. No one has yet provided me with evidence that Socialism has never worked in this country, when clearly the evidence of the NHS shows that it has.

The NHS is performing worst in Wales where it's run by Labour. How much money did New Labour waste on PFIs, bureaucrats and failed IT projects? Not to mention opening the floodgates to millions of immigrants which has increased the strain on the NHS. Labour actually started privatisation of the NHS and over the past five years it's increased from something like 4-6%. If the Tories really did want to 'dismantle' the NHS they're going about it very slowly.

 

[RHB]

The NHS is performing worst in Wales where it's run by Labour. How much money did New Labour waste on PFIs, bureaucrats and failed IT projects? Not to mention opening the floodgates to millions of immigrants which has increased the strain on the NHS. Labour actually started privatisation of the NHS and over the past five years it's increased from something like 4-6%. If the Tories really did want to 'dismantle' the NHS they're going about it very slowly.

How the NHS is performing now is a matter of conjecture depending on your political leaning. Funding for the NHS over the last 5 years has been via the Coalition and that must have a bearing on how the NHS beast performs. PFI and failed IT projects are not exclusively the property of the Labour Party, I can assure you of that, having been on the receiving end of some monumental errors of political judgement under Tory administrations.

However that was not the point of my post. The NHS was the brain child of the Labour party and they commissioned and introduced it for the benefit of the whole of the British public. Norhing like it had been seen before and it is still a model which is envied across the civilised world. You stated that Socialism in this country has never worked. The NHS alone, without any other evidence, provides concrete evidence that you are wrong.

 

[Benfleet A1]

That sometimes the great British public like Labour governments and sometime they like Conservative governments, nothing else be inferred.

You clearly don't understand the mind set of Barna if you think that. Loaded questions and answers everytime.

 

[RHB]

You clearly don't understand the mind set of Barna if you think that. Loaded questions and answers everytime.

True, but it would be a less infuriating/interesting/humourous/humourless SZ without him.

 

[Antony Dove]

Yes. :smile:

 

[Antony Dove]

I Hate the Tory party, and all they stand for.

 

[RHB]

Admire the sentiments Cricko, but you only have to speak to our newly re-elected Castle Point MP to know that the generalisation about Tory MPs is untrue. She cares, sometimes too much.

In my opinion, those at the top of the Labour tree are every bit as bad as you cite the Tories for being. There's more than a few public school educated, and children in private school types amongst them. Time for a mass re-evaluation of core party policies and chucking out the old Blair hymn sheets. Labour need to find their own identity again, the general public has seen through its promises of giving to whoever and is now asking where it's going to fund these things from. Spectacular fall from grace by Milliband.

More importantly, can someone please tell me what SamCam's dress was all about? Looked like she had a high vis bib attached to her back!

Mrs RHB reckons that she had bought it in before the results were known and it either signified that the coalition was alive and well with the Lib Dems on the Tories backs, or she was glad to see the back of them, take your pick.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Maybe I'm naive but I think a majority of people would love there to be a wonderful NHS, help for those that need it etc. The issue is that they had no faith that labour would be able to deliver those things. I certainly didn't. Id have loved for there to have been an option on my ballot paper for a party that would make a better society, help those in need, give opportunities to businesses and ensure the NHS is well funded buy not bloated with middle managers and pen pushers.

In the absence of having any faith in labour do you a) not vote b) protest vote c) vote for a party that you think might at least keep a grip on the economy in the hope that it created jobs and stability? To simply label all people who vote conservative uncaring and selfish seems very narrow minded.

The idea that the Tories can somehow manage the NHS or Social Services better than Labour is just a sick joke.

You have obviously misunderstood my point. The bit you have highlighted in bold was an aspiration that I considered no party offered (in my opInion of course).

Let's see what I might have misunderstood.

Username indicates right-wing preferences.Check.

Poster usually expresses right-wing views.Check.

Poster indicated satisfaction that the Tories won the election.Check.

Logical to assume that the poster would believe that the Tories are inheritantly better managers of the NHS and Social Services than Labour.Check.

No,I don't think I've misunderstood anything,actually.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I wonder what the huge gaps in those dates suggest.

The democratic process in action? :unsure:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Thank you for listing years labour won a GE. Not sure it assists the point in hand that labour didn't convince people they were likely to be competent.

Do you think labour succeeded in gaining the confidence of the British public in this general election??! I (and the results) would suggest not.

Obviously they didn't.Next question.

But they did suceed "in gaining the confidence of the British public" in all the generall elections I mentioned (plus a couple of more recent ones) and the likelihood is that they will do so again in the future.

 

[Benfleet A1]

The democratic process in action? :unsure:

Which you seem to have a major problem with if it hasn't come down in favour of Labour. Love the way you assume Number 11 is a tory, seem to remember that backfiring once before. Some people never learn.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Which you seem to have a major problem with if it hasn't come down in favour of Labour. Love the way you assume Number 11 is a tory, seem to remember that backfiring once before. Some people never learn.

I don't know but I always assumed it was his preferred shirt number on the pitch, as I believe he was one of the ShrimperZone FC that the site was originally built around? Nothing to do with his political stance.

 

[Swiss Tony]

The idea that the Tories can somehow manage the NHS or Social Services better than Labour is just a sick joke.

NHS,sick,very good Barners.:thumbsup:

 

[number11]

Obviously they didn't.Next question.

But they did suceed "in gaining the confidence of the British public" in all the generall elections I mentioned (plus a couple of more recent ones) and the likelihood is that they will do so again in the future.

Thank you for confirming my point.

Your second para has no relevance to the point I'm discussing, but if making a factually correct or likely statement makes you feel better than good for you

 

[number11]

Let's see what I might have misunderstood.

Username indicates right-wing preferences.Check.

Poster usually expresses right-wing views.Check.

Poster indicated satisfaction that the Tories won the election.Check.

Logical to assume that the poster would believe that the Tories are inheritantly better managers of the NHS and Social Services than Labour.Check.

No,I don't think I've misunderstood anything,actually.

Brilliant. I'm not on twitter but I'm sure there is an appropriate hashtag to use here......

On the user name, I literally have no idea what you are on about.

On My political views, I love the fact that anyone who posts something disagreeing with you, pointing out your hypocrisy or bigotry or challenges what you say is immediately categorised. I'd find it a sad world if I only saw things in such a binary way.

My satisfaction was with labour not winning the election as I personally couldn't trust THIS labour regime to run our country. I've already expressed many times that there is a sorry state of options and none that I would 'champion' or bang on about how great they are.

So your assumption is way off. You yourself have already agreed with me that labour didn't convince of their capability.

Now what's that hashtag......