The Squad

[Frankie the half breed]

Why did we let Barry Corr leave. We've scored 1 goal this season.......

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Why did we let Barry Corr leave. We've scored 1 goal this season.......

He is injured now

 

[BoyWonder2]

Its tough living here at the moment with Gills top of the league currently. I have watched as they have skilfully improved the strength of their squad over the last 2 season in particular. Firstly under Peter Taylor and now Justin Edinburgh. I am sure Barratt will now this well! I am able to retort they wouldnt be where they are without two former Southend Players managing them and have Glen Morris as well as Eganl??!!
Incidentally they brought in 9 players fairly early, ( a factor known to influence league position ) and quite a few with considerable pace!! ugh!!

That magical research you forgot to provide in previous threads.

Nothing like staying opinion as fact...

I think PB has done well with his player recruitment this summer. He has replaced the entire strike force with Hunt, Mooney & Piggot till January (Although it looks certain to be made permenant in January). Signed a proven League One player in Wordsworth, and made McLaughlin's loan permenant, which I think it'll prove to be a terrific acquisition. He has managed to retain the majority of players that got us promoted like Timlin.

In defence, Rea is highly rated and plays Under 21 football for Ireland, and O'Neill provides us with competition and cover in defence.

I think the three strikers we have will score goals, along with midfield and defence chipping in along the way as well. I'm certain we will sign a striker on loan, either by Tuesday or once the loan window re-opens.

We've only lost Corr that we wanted to keep, so a good summers work from PB in my eyes.

 

[Barry.C]

For your info the research is based on a study of the past 10 seasons albeit in the Premier League, It is not however a large institutional study. It looked at how clubs benefited and won the league by securing players early rather than waiting to later in the transfer window. It concluded that there was a significant connection between the success of winning the league and making early purchases.
I am sorry I cannot provide you with the researchers as I read the articles relating to it in the press. However will look to see if I can find it. No need for the sarcasm though chum

 

[BoyWonder2]

For your info the research is based on a study of the past 10 seasons albeit in the Premier League, It is not however a large institutional study. It looked at how clubs benefited and won the league by securing players early rather than waiting to later in the transfer window. It concluded that there was a significant connection between the success of winning the league and making early purchases.
I am sorry I cannot provide you with the researchers as I read the articles relating to it in the press. However will look to see if I can find it. No need for the sarcasm though chum

Amazing that you couldnt provide it when asked by a lot of people in a previous thread, and still haven't been able to provide it...

Also, IF this research is correct, we play in League One not the Premiership so doesn't affect us.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

i can imagine, and believe, that getting the business done early helps but this is like my favourite thing

 

[rigsby]

We did well under Tilly with a relatively unchanged squad, but what we did get was The Goat, who was a class above. This time, I agree with you that we haven't invested enough in L1 talent and we are going to rely mainly on L2 players. I really hope Hunt is our Goat this time round but unless PB plays the 442 system, much like Tilly did using a combination of Eastwood, The Goat and Wayne Gray, we will struggle.

We don't really have anyone up front in the mould of Eastwood or The Goat and Gray was as good as anyone we have now. In fact, player for player, the only really quality we have over Tilly's L1 promotion is Bentley if I'm honest

Your absolutely right including the 3 on loan that's 6 players from the championship and only Mooney from L1.

Take note PB your getting ideas above your station. Sign more players from L1 clubs

 

[Supa Shrimpa]

Why did we let Barry Corr leave. We've scored 1 goal this season.......

Because...
He's a League Two standard player.
PB wants more than just a big target man at this level.
He's injury prone.

 

[Rob1920]

Didn't want to start a new thread to raise this point & this seemed an appropriate place to mention it; why don't we seem to have the annual squad photo anymore? Must be a few years since we had one. Is it a thing of the past, or am I just not looking in the right place?

 

[mrsblue]

That magical research you forgot to provide in previous threads.

Nothing like staying opinion as fact...

I think PB has done well with his player recruitment this summer. He has replaced the entire strike force with Hunt, Mooney & Piggot till January (Although it looks certain to be made permenant in January). Signed a proven League One player in Wordsworth, and made McLaughlin's loan permenant, which I think it'll prove to be a terrific acquisition. He has managed to retain the majority of players that got us promoted like Timlin.

In defence, Rea is highly rated and plays Under 21 football for Ireland, and O'Neill provides us with competition and cover in defence.

I think the three strikers we have will score goals, along with midfield and defence chipping in along the way as well. I'm certain we will sign a striker on loan, either by Tuesday or once the loan window re-opens.

We've only lost Corr that we wanted to keep, so a good summers work from PB in my eyes.

Point of order,

The new strike force to date has not managed one goal,just putting that out there.

 

[Barry.C]

Just like to mention that analysis I read about the KEY most significant factor that won premiership teams the league was not an opinion of mine but factually based on evidencing the outcomes of league position . The analysis clearly showed that the teams that won the Premiership nearly always got in early , over other teams, for the players they wanted to add to the squad and also achieved an early settled squad. That way they also didn't miss out on the players they really wanted, beating others to it!
I put this out there as an interesting concept for members to consider and it related to a sense at the time that for no doubt many reasons , our club tended to leave it late to strengthen the squad. I accept this research related purely to the Premiership. However I have never heard a Manager state that they like to leave it as Late as possible to get new players in There is one exception of course when some Managers acknowledge in the lower leagues they like to gamble and bargain hunt for that one last good deal. Indeed that is exactly what Justin Edinburgh said recently , although already having established his main new signings.

 

[mrsblue]

Just like to mention that analysis I read about the KEY most significant factor that won premiership teams the league was not an opinion of mine but factually based on evidencing the outcomes of league position . The analysis clearly showed that the teams that won the Premiership nearly always got in early , over other teams, for the players they wanted to add to the squad and also achieved an early settled squad. That way they also didn't miss out on the players they really wanted, beating others to it!
I put this out there as an interesting concept for members to consider and it related to a sense at the time that for no doubt many reasons , our club tended to leave it late to strengthen the squad. I accept this research related purely to the Premiership. However I have never heard a Manager state that they like to leave it as Late as possible to get new players in There is one exception of course when some Managers acknowledge in the lower leagues they like to gamble and bargain hunt for that one last good deal. Indeed that is exactly what Justin Edinburgh said recently , although already having established his main new signings.

Pre season has vital importance for team bonding and getting to understand the managers ideas.We however often do not partake in such tried and proven formula,ok to add to any squad but the nucleus must be in place before a ball is kicked.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

We do have an talented squad, should be enough to gain 12th to 17th finish by the end of the season.

Who care about Barry Corr, has we stayed in League 2, we could have kept him. He showed no threat for us up front, he would struggle in League 1. Hunt won more ball in the air Vs Swindon than Corr did last year. I am thankful for his last touch for us that led to the most memorable goal of my life at Wembley.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Entitled to an opinion as a fan of the club. With this squad, I can see us maybe avoiding relegation, at best. I don't care what anyone says, there is a difference in quality between L1 and L2. I appreciate the sentiment for the boys that got us here but we need the strongest squad we can afford and if that means having to cull last years squad, then so be it.

however, always happy to admit when I'm wrong and maybe the boys can start with a Win today....

We probably have the strongest squad we can afford.
What you mean to say is 'lets go and spend money we haven't got and end up in the crap again like we did 4 years ago'

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Your absolutely right including the 3 on loan that's 6 players from the championship and only Mooney from L1.

Take note PB your getting ideas above your station. Sign more players from L1 clubs

O'Neill and Rea are very young and wouldn't say are proven at L1. The same with Pigott. Hunt is the one I said could possibly be our Goater this season. Not sure on Wordsworth or Mooney yet, hopefully they will come good given if played in the right position and formation

 

[OldBlueLady]

Didn't want to start a new thread to raise this point & this seemed an appropriate place to mention it; why don't we seem to have the annual squad photo anymore? Must be a few years since we had one. Is it a thing of the past, or am I just not looking in the right place?

Nope, it's been done for this season, and it was also done last season. I just haven't seen it advertised anywhere. We always get poster copies of the team photo for our Junior Blues members, which they pick up at our exclusive Meet the Players Day. Definitely been done.

 

[Brett Angle]

I think that for the first time for a long time we have pulled together a tight, well thought out squad that will be more than competitive in L1 (injuries permitting). Most of the players have had a part in our success hitherto - PB has had an opportunity to look at them first hand before buying/loaning and whilst there is some much needed experience with the likes of Barratt Hunt, Timlin and White the emphasis is on youth - and their development into future assets both on the pitch and in the event we receive acceptable bids - off it. It feels like there is a plan (which is also quite novel for this club) built on solid foundations -and just hope that the finances are secure enough to future proof it!

Btw - I'd personally not be in any rush to sign another striker. Let us see after 10 games whether or not the recent signings, Hunt's fitness and lady luck improve the goals ration and results. We simply aren't equipped or set up to win 4-0 or 5-1 - but that didn't stop us having an ultimately successful season last year. As long as we are consistently winning 1-0 or 2-1 nobody on here is going to complain - and I sense that a run of results like that are just around the corner.

 

[superblue24]

We probably have the strongest squad we can afford.
What you mean to say is 'lets go and spend money we haven't got and end up in the crap again like we did 4 years ago'

No, I didn't mean that. We've extended contracts of players who imo should have been released hence is wasted money. Also, I think you'll find that the cost of shipping back down to L2 is far more costly than bringing in better quality players and extending our stay in L1.

The financial bother started when we had all those players on our books on championship salaries. If we'd have survived in the championship there wouldn't have been a problem, or at least the severity wouldn't have been so intense. This is the main point of FF. if we were to get back in the championship, we'd be restricted by the size of our stadium capacity in terms of ticket sales.

 

[rigsby]

No, I didn't mean that. We've extended contracts of players who imo should have been released hence is wasted money. Also, I think you'll find that the cost of shipping back down to L2 is far more costly than bringing in better quality players and extending our stay in L1.

The financial bother started when we had all those players on our books on championship salaries. If we'd have survived in the championship there wouldn't have been a problem, or at least the severity wouldn't have been so intense. This is the main point of FF. if we were to get back in the championship, we'd be restricted by the size of our stadium capacity in terms of ticket sales.

How is extending the contract of any player on £1000 per week, who played a major role in our promotion a waste of money. Releasing such a player would be criminal.

The reason we appeared to be slow in the transfer market..... The Dan Bentley saga. If he had gone early, like most, expected then the budget would have been different. If he stays we get maybe a 14 goal striker and if he goes maybe a 20 goal striker. Personally I think he'll save us more points than the more expensive striker would gain us.

Something to think about. Gary Hooper's wages last year would have paid for our whole squad, PB and his 'large' backroom staff and any official nights in the Roslin. We would still have a bit left for some unofficial nights with room service as well and pay for any damage at the local casino.

 

[Medway Blue]

No, I didn't mean that. We've extended contracts of players who imo should have been released hence is wasted money. Also, I think you'll find that the cost of shipping back down to L2 is far more costly than bringing in better quality players and extending our stay in L1.

The financial bother started when we had all those players on our books on championship salaries. If we'd have survived in the championship there wouldn't have been a problem, or at least the severity wouldn't have been so intense. This is the main point of FF. if we were to get back in the championship, we'd be restricted by the size of our stadium capacity in terms of ticket sales.

It's debatable whether the wages of our highest earner when we were in the Championship, at £3.8k per week, could be described as "Championship wages". We never paid Championship wages, that's why we came straight back down - we couldn't afford the quality. We had the lowest budget in the Championship, £2.5m for the year......a whole £1.5m less than the next lowest which was Colchester at £4m. We were always on a hiding to nothing. Whilst at RH this club cannot sustain a Championship side.


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