Tory cuts-warning

[Hotman]

NHS paid for out of tax - to be honest, it seems that tax + ni goes into the same pot (attempting to plug our fiscal deficit).

Spot on about charges, although this would be the insurers problem, who'd price their premiums accordingly. Doctors will also be subject to market forces rather than NHS fixed rates.

 

[osymandus]

Said like a true scrounger. What wouldn't work for you - are you not responsible enough to arrange your own insurances? Or do you rely too heavily on assistance from others?

Insurance firms and those that run private health care are not respoisbile enough for me to to trust with my health alone . In fact health care is a basic human right where as buisness... well actually isnt its a creation of a economic system, that just wants to reap profits .

And person responsibility is eroded when peopl e trust anything entirely to either purely commercialism or centralised giverment for anything . As both want you in their pocket.

Martin Curruthers : The tax credits etc all purposes of a society . The basic premiise being humans have banded together to provide resources for when the enviroment is inhospitable or we may as well just return to eitehr feudal times or even further back nomadic tribes.

None of what you have put there works as these were conditions in mid 1800's and brought about workers rights, and social change.

 

[Swiss Tony]

So remind me what exactly the vast amounts of taxpayers money went to then?

Killing the Taliban hopefully.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Killing the Taliban hopefully.

Taken from the Telegraph. Unfortunately not mate.

A group of influential ex-defence chiefs have called on Gordon Brown to give an urgent cash injection to Britain’s overstretched Armed Forces.

General Lord Guthrie, Admiral Lord Boyce and Marshal of the RAF Lord Craig, together with former foreign secretary Lord Owen, today launch the UK National Defence Association to press for a major increase in defence spending.

With British troops committed on two fronts in Iraq and Afghanistan, the patrons argue that the Armed Forces are spread too thinly and are working with “outdated” equipment.

 

[steveo]

They should start by cutting the ridiculous Human Rights act and replacing it with The Common Sense act.

A SOMALI jailed for sheltering a policewoman's killer won the right to stay in Britain yesterday.Outrage erupted after Hewan Gordon, 38, won an appeal against a Government bid to deport him.Gordon had served 18 months' jail for giving refuge to evil Muzzaker Shah, one of the gang which shot dead PC Sharon Beshenivsky in Bradford in 2005.

So a Somali, who helps a "British" Asian avoid arrest after murdering an English Policewoman, is allowed to stay in this Country because he might be persecuted if he returned to Somalia.

He might also not be give hand outs by the Somali goverment. i suppose there is a left wing view that says its not really his fault and he needs all the help we can give him but surely not even the lefties on here would go along with it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I agree with every single proposal there. I'd also reinstate the pension tax relief for higher earners, and increase the compulsory pension savings for lower earners who are relying on the state.

Bring back the link with earnings.Simples.

 

[Hotman]

Bring back the link with earnings.Simples.

Provided that link is remunerated with higher end pension, and the contributor has the choice of fund, I agree entirely

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Provided that link is remunerated with higher end pension, and the contributor has the choice of fund, I agree entirely

Blimey a result.There can't be much we would agree on politically speaking I would have thought.:stunned:

 

[GrumpyBlue]

Phil - did you leave an `N` out of the second word of your thread title ?

I think we should be told!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Phil - did you leave an `N` out of the second word of your thread title ?

I think we should be told!

Richard,
You mean in cuts presumbably?:)
No, but I've always agreed with Nye Bevan than "Tories are worse than vermin.";)

 

[GrumpyBlue]

Richard,
You mean in cuts presumbably?:)
No, but I've always agreed with Nye Bevan than "Tories are worse than vermin.";)

Yes I agree with Nye and you old boy

 

[Firestorm]

So, everyone has to take out private health insurance at , for arguments sake , 1/1/11
In the months running upto this date they are all making their applications to the various health insurers. Anyone with a pre-existing condition will have to declare this and it will be excluded from coverage , unless the individual can locate an insurer who will be requiring a vastly inflated premium.
So anyone in the country who is on repeat prescriptions, in remission for any disease, or has a chronic disease will only be able to continue their treatment if they can find the money, those who particular illness means they cannot work would also find their benefits being stopped at the same time finding out that they would not be able to get insurance to protect them if they found them selves out of work because of ilness.

Or are the policies purporting to support a free market with no Government intervention, also going to dictate underwriting policy to the insurers thus forcing them to write risks regardless of previous history and "claims records".

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So, everyone has to take out private health insurance at , for arguments sake , 1/1/11
In the months running upto this date they are all making their applications to the various health insurers. Anyone with a pre-existing condition will have to declare this and it will be excluded from coverage , unless the individual can locate an insurer who will be requiring a vastly inflated premium.
So anyone in the country who is on repeat prescriptions, in remission for any disease, or has a chronic disease will only be able to continue their treatment if they can find the money, those who particular illness means they cannot work would also find their benefits being stopped at the same time finding out that they would not be able to get insurance to protect them if they found them selves out of work because of ilness.

Or are the policies purporting to support a free market with no Government intervention, also going to dictate underwriting policy to the insurers thus forcing them to write risks regardless of previous history and "claims records".

So you're in favour of the NHS? Good man.:)

 

[MK Shrimper]

So you're in favour of the NHS? Good man.:)

Oh Firestorm is a comrade in arms mate ;)

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Oh Firestorm is a comrade in arms mate ;)

Glad to hear it!:clap:

 

[Firestorm]

So you're in favour of the NHS? Good man.:)

Actually in this instance the question was purely raised to see how the proposal would work .

Although whilst as I have got older my principle have certainly "mellowed" , better healthcare for those who can afford it has never been a thought of mine. Despite being in a job which offers it (and subsidises it) I have never taken up the PHI , probably very foolishly but anyway its too late now with all the pre-existings wash around in my medical history it wouldn't cover me for much anyway.