'Travellers' antics at Canvey & Southend during the weekend.

[Benfleet A1]

What's happening at Calais is relevant to the Schengen agreement (or at least Britain's refusal to sign up for it).

How is it relevant? Do tell.

 

[ozzie]

A couple of years ago, a German told me they have problems with the amount of Turks now in the country?.

true,mind you Germans dont like many people.Are now "told" to love the French,coz of times gone by.There is a German-French love in

 

[ozzie]

please,what is the schengen plan????Is that about border checks???

 

[Benfleet A1]

please,what is the schengen plan????Is that about border checks???

Free movement of EU citizens. The UK have never signed up to it, hence we still have to go through passport checks airports.

 

[ozzie]

Free movement of EU citizens. The UK have never signed up to it, hence we still have to go through passport checks airports.

the Germans are also having big problems with asylum seekers at the moment,they say they are coming from Italy.But a German m.p ,wants to bring back border controls( on the radio today),but doubt if it will happen

 

[ozzie]

when you fly from England to Germany,you must go through border controls ,everytime..maybe they are trying to wind us up??Must always show passport

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

when you fly from England to Germany,you must go through border controls ,everytime..maybe they are trying to wind us up??Must always show passport

That's because the UK hasn't signed up to Schengen, (unlike Germany).You'll have noticed that citizens of most other civilised European nations, which have signed up for Schengen, only need to show their identity card ( not passport),when travelling in Europe,when they go through border controls.

 

[londonblue]

That's because the UK hasn't signed up to Schengen, (unlike Germany).You'll have noticed that citizens of most other civilised European nations, which have signed up for Schengen, only need to show their identity card ( not passport),when travelling in Europe,when they go through border controls.

We don't have identity cards, so would we have to show our passports anyway?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

We don't have identity cards, so would we have to show our passports anyway?

Logically,although the UK doesn't even accept the identity cards of its own nationals living in other EU states (like me).

Go figure.

 

[londonblue]

Logically,although the UK doesn't even accept the identity cards of its own nationals living in other EU states (like me).

Go figure.

No idea. However, I do believe it was Thatcher that wanted to bring in identity cards (mainly to combat football hooliganism) but pretty much everyone else in the country was against it.

Assuming most people are still against identity cards, then there really is no need (or benefit) for us to sign up.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

No idea. However, I do believe it was Thatcher that wanted to bring in identity cards (mainly to combat football hooliganism) but pretty much everyone else in the country was against it.

Assuming most people are still against identity cards, then there really is no need (or benefit) for us to sign up.

I've never really understood the (so-called) libertarian argument against ID cards.

Personally,(as a freelance), I find my ID card very useful when asking for receipts/proving my identity etc.

 

[londonblue]

I've never qreally understood the (so-called) libertarian argument against ID cards.

Personally,(as a freelance), I find my ID card very useful when asking for receipts/proving my identity etc.

Me neither. There are some good practical arguments however, such as the cost, and why we need an identity card when we have a passport anyway.

Not saying I agree with them, but the arguments against don't just focus on civil rights.

 

[dingleydangley]

Not everyone has a passport. However, I think the objections (mine included) were to do with the way it was presented. It wasn't just football fans that Thatcher saw as the enemy within and her motives on this (as everything) were questionable and clouded the debate.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Just read the article. Lost for words, makes you want to scream. Can you imagine going back to the days when the likes of 'Bill Gosling' were coppers?. He'd have sorted it out in half hour!.

Yes Bill Gosling would have had the guts to arrest them. He sorted me out a couple of times, one I have mentioned on here.

 

[South Bank Hank]

I've never really understood the (so-called) libertarian argument against ID cards.

Personally,(as a freelance), I find my ID card very useful when asking for receipts/proving my identity etc.

Stop saying stuff I agree with Barna, it's disconcerting.

 

[Napster]

Never liked idea of ID cards.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Never liked idea of ID cards.

Me neither. Glad they got shelved.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Me neither. Glad they got shelved.

They work well in France.

 

[Gremlin]

Never liked idea of ID cards.

Yep. It's a good job nobody has access to the combined details related to your NI card, your mobile phone records and DVLA information isn't it?

 

[Napster]

Yep. It's a good job nobody has access to the combined details related to your NI card, your mobile phone records and DVLA information isn't it?

Maybe. But I think the civil service are incompetent enough not to be able to link all three. P