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Mick

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Southend have a tremendous home record against Walsall in the League, having lost only 3 times in 37 matches (25 wins and 9 draws).

The man in charge on Saturday is Andy Davies from Hampshire, who has just started his fourth season as a Football League referee. He is a former professional with Portsmouth, Gillingham and Yeovil, who had to stop playing through injury at the age of 28 so turned to refereeing in 2003.

He refereed Southend twice during his first season with no complaints about either of them - perhaps not surprising as we won them both.

Firstly, he oversaw our early steps towards our first Wembley visit against Wimbledon. A 2-1 win with cautions for Straker and Spicer (and one of theirs). The other match was the impressive 4-1 win at Torquay, with two cautions apiece (ours were Barker and Phillips) and a red card for them.

His third Southend match was our 2-0 home win against Northampton 2013/14, White was cautioned and they had a yellow and a red.

His other Southend match was last year's home 1-1 draw with Oxford when two crucial decisions both went against us. We also picked up 4 yellows (White, Atkinson, Leonard and Thompson) to their two.

His card-count is above average with 296 yellows and 17 reds from his 83 match career to date. He has just had one cardless match. He got plenty of Championship appointments last season.

Assisting will be a Rob MacKay from Bedford and Adrian Sannerude from Lowestoft who will be picking up 4th Official Nicholas Cooper from Ipswich on his way down the A12.
 

Maroon Blue

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What went against us in the Oxford game? I don't recall.

Danny Hylton dived and got a penalty, do not recall the other crucial decision.

Remember it was the game where Ben Coker got his elbow injury, meaning having to get in JBW on loan, but not ref's fault?
 

shrimpled

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Thanks Mick, are there any other current referee's in the National Group who have played professionally?
 

eastling

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Yes and Danny Hylton laughed about the fact he'd won the pen when it clearly wasn't one!
 

manor15

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Danny Hylton dived and got a penalty, do not recall the other crucial decision.

Remember it was the game where Ben Coker got his elbow injury, meaning having to get in JBW on loan, but not ref's fault?
Think we had a pretty blatant penalty not given.
 

Zeuss

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Southend have a tremendous home record against Walsall in the League, having lost only 3 times in 37 matches (25 wins and 9 draws).

The man in charge on Saturday is Andy Davies from Hampshire, who has just started his fourth season as a Football League referee. He is a former professional with Portsmouth, Gillingham and Yeovil, who had to stop playing through injury at the age of 28 so turned to refereeing in 2003.

He refereed Southend twice during his first season with no complaints about either of them - perhaps not surprising as we won them both.

Firstly, he oversaw our early steps towards our first Wembley visit against Wimbledon. A 2-1 win with cautions for Straker and Spicer (and one of theirs). The other match was the impressive 4-1 win at Torquay, with two cautions apiece (ours were Barker and Phillips) and a red card for them.

His third Southend match was our 2-0 home win against Northampton 2013/14, White was cautioned and they had a yellow and a red.

His other Southend match was last year's home 1-1 draw with Oxford when two crucial decisions both went against us. We also picked up 4 yellows (White, Atkinson, Leonard and Thompson) to their two.

His card-count is above average with 296 yellows and 17 reds from his 83 match career to date. He has just had one cardless match. He got plenty of Championship appointments last season.

Assisting will be a Rob MacKay from Bedford and Adrian Sannerude from Lowestoft who will be picking up 4th Official Nicholas Cooper from Ipswich on his way down the A12.

can you be absolutely certain,Mick,that Adrian and Nicholas are on good terms and that the former will be driving ,have a spare seat in his vehicle and be travelling from his place of domicile ?
 

C V Shrimper

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can you be absolutely certain,Mick,that Adrian and Nicholas are on good terms and that the former will be driving ,have a spare seat in his vehicle and be travelling from his place of domicile ?

Perhaps they could meet at Suffolk Blues and he could drive them both down, thus meaning they will owe us and may give us some 50/50 decisions!
 

Fish

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One comment that people often make about refs is because they've not been players at pro level they don't understand the game.

I've never bought that argument and yesterday proved it.

An ex-pro should be aware of time wasting and how to handle it, but this guy was almost clueless and completely inconsistent. Two minutes after he rightly carded their keeper for time wasting, he chooses to have a word with another Wallsall player who's kicked the ball away.

And when a team is chasing the game, don't stop a perfectly promising attack to bring it back for a foul in the other half. But if you do, you have to card the offender, otherwise all you're doing is holding the game up for the team in front.
 

Mick

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And when a team is chasing the game, don't stop a perfectly promising attack to bring it back for a foul in the other half. But if you do, you have to card the offender, otherwise all you're doing is holding the game up for the team in front.

You caution the offender on the basis of the foul committed, not because you've cocked up an advantage !

There is no reason to stop a "promising attack" to card a player. You can always go back and caution when play stops.

The only time this does not apply is if it would be for a red card (either straight or second yellow). If you play advantage in this situation and advantage breaks down you could have a player who shouldn't be on the pitch having a major impact on the game, perhaps even scoring a goal.
 

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Thought he was very very poor yesterday. Although I did agree about him not booking their 3rd player for kicking the ball away, as I don't think it was deliberate and he did kick it in the direction of the free kick. The other two were obvious yellow cards.

Very inconsistent throughout and some very poor decisions for both teams.
 

Fish

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You caution the offender on the basis of the foul committed, not because you've cocked up an advantage !

There is no reason to stop a "promising attack" to card a player. You can always go back and caution when play stops.

The only time this does not apply is if it would be for a red card (either straight or second yellow). If you play advantage in this situation and advantage breaks down you could have a player who shouldn't be on the pitch having a major impact on the game, perhaps even scoring a goal.
At that stage in the game, if the foul's not worth a yellow, why stop play whilst the team that's been fouled has a promising attack? The ref saw that we'd got the ball forward and were challenging their back line for possession 40 yards from goal. He then chose to bring an end to our attack to bring play back for a free kick in our half. To add insult to injury, he chose to talk to the player (thereby further holding the game up and allowing Walsall to get their defence organised), without then carding him. What purpose does any of that serve other than to make it harder for Southend chasing the game?
 

Fish

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Thought he was very very poor yesterday. Although I did agree about him not booking their 3rd player for kicking the ball away, as I don't think it was deliberate and he did kick it in the direction of the free kick. The other two were obvious yellow cards.
Bollocks? How can you possibly claim a professional footballer kicking a ball was accidental? It's not your free kick, you leave the ball. INstead the ref allowed them to waste even more time, for an offence that two other players had been booked for.

Spineless refereeing.
 

Lord Football

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Bollocks? How can you possibly claim a professional footballer kicking a ball was accidental? It's not your free kick, you leave the ball. INstead the ref allowed them to waste even more time, for an offence that two other players had been booked for.

Spineless refereeing.

Our player stepped over it. That's why.
 

londonblue

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IMO the ref made some strange decisions, and certainly didn't seem to be a "homer", but we didn't lose because of him. We lost because Walsall were better than us.
 

Fish

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Our player stepped over it. That's why.
How does our player stepping over the ball force their player to kick it?

"Leave the ball" cannot be simpler. Move away, get in position for the next play. Don't touch the ball. Don't approach it. It's not yours. Touch it at your peril. You're a professional footballer. You should know how to not kick a football, irrespective of whether anyone else is "stepping over it" or whatever other irrelevant actions you might try to use as an excuse for blatant cheating.

Sorry, but it's weak pansying to footballers who "didn't mean it" like this that means that the powers that be allow players to persistently spoil the game with cynical cheating. It's an atrocious example to set to youngsters.
 

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How does our player stepping over the ball force their player to kick it?

"Leave the ball" cannot be simpler. Move away, get in position for the next play. Don't touch the ball. Don't approach it. It's not yours. Touch it at your peril. You're a professional footballer. You should know how to not kick a football, irrespective of whether anyone else is "stepping over it" or whatever other irrelevant actions you might try to use as an excuse for blatant cheating.

Sorry, but it's weak pansying to footballers who "didn't mean it" like this that means that the powers that be allow players to persistently spoil the game with cynical cheating. It's an atrocious example to set to youngsters.

He kicked it back towards where the free kick was due to be taken, one of our players, I do not know who, stepped over it allowing the ball to go further back than it should of.

If our player had stopped the ball, then there would of been no issue.

Was probably one of the only decisions the ref got right all day, and what difference would it of made if he had booked him?

None.
 

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How does our player stepping over the ball force their player to kick it?

"Leave the ball" cannot be simpler. Move away, get in position for the next play. Don't touch the ball. Don't approach it. It's not yours. Touch it at your peril. You're a professional footballer. You should know how to not kick a football, irrespective of whether anyone else is "stepping over it" or whatever other irrelevant actions you might try to use as an excuse for blatant cheating.

Sorry, but it's weak pansying to footballers who "didn't mean it" like this that means that the powers that be allow players to persistently spoil the game with cynical cheating. It's an atrocious example to set to youngsters.

Do really need it explaining. REALLY.....

It was refreshing to see a referee stamp out time wasting as early as he did with the keeper. And then do it again. Hardly shirking his responsibilities there. Was he? So it stands to reason that he didn't do the third one because the third one wasn't time wasting (ie kicking the ball away). In fact the third one was kicking the ball, quite slowly as it happens, towards our player who then chose to step over it. Mountain. Mole hill.

I look forward to your posting when we do have a really bad official.
 
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