blueblueblue
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No way would I give a stranger my passport or driving license so he can take a picture of it....
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No way would I give a stranger my passport or driving license so he can take a picture of it....
I wouldn’t worry. Drivers consider the Highway Code to be optional anyway.
Any drivers who have never: sped; entered a box junction before their exit was clear; waited on double yellow lines; used a hand-held mobile phone whilst driving; driven when still over the limit from the night before; given cyclists the same room they would a car; gone over on an amber light etc and wants to argue knock yourself out.
Massimo Giovanni
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As YB posts the H Code is "optional" in that it is not a mandatory law backed by punishment or enforcement. It does strengthen a prosecution for such offences as careless or reckless driving but in itself is a guide, as is the Green Cross Code.
When the increasingly invisible plod doesn't seem capable of enforcing the basic road traffic regulations and laws, this new code is really at best. a good intent, wish list at the moment.
When the increasingly invisible plod doesn't seem capable of enforcing the basic road traffic regulations and laws, this new code is really at best. a good intent, wish list at the moment.
Oh Dear, this is going to be a recipe for loads more accidents, they have just not thought this through.
If the pavement is busy with pedestrians, you in theory will have to wait for hours to turn left. If that is somewhere like the London Road or the High Street, the traffic tailbacks will be horrendous.
Three new rules added to The Highway Code Rule
H1: hierarchy of road users
The first (and most significant) rule in the refreshed The Highway Code sets out the hierarchy of road users. Road users who can do the greatest harm (those driving large vehicles) have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger they pose to other road users.
Pedestrians (children, older adults and disabled people in particular) are identified as ‘the most likely to be injured in the event of a collision’.
Here’s a look at what the hierarchy of road users looks like:
1. Pedestrians
2. Cyclists
3. Horse riders
4. Motorcyclists
5. Cars/taxis
6. Vans/minibuses
7. Large passenger vehicles/heavy goods vehicles
As you can see, cyclists and horse riders will also have a responsibility to reduce danger to pedestrians. Even so, the updated
The Highway Code emphasises that pedestrians themselves still need to consider the safety of other road users.
The Department for Transport says this system will pave the way for a ‘more mutually respectful and considerate culture of safe and effective road use’.
Rule H2: clearer and stronger priorities for pedestrians
This rule is aimed at drivers, motorists, horse riders and cyclists.
The Highway Code now states clearly that, at a junction, you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road that you’re turning into. Previously, vehicles had priority at a junction.
Drivers should also give way to pedestrians waiting to cross a zebra crossing, and pedestrians and cyclists waiting to cross a parallel crossing (a combined pedestrian and cycle crossing).
Meanwhile, cyclists should give way to pedestrians on shared-use cycle tracks, and are reminded that only pedestrians (including those using wheelchairs and mobility scooters) can use the pavement.
Pedestrians are allowed to use cycle tracks unless there’s a road sign nearby that says doing so is prohibited.
Rule H3: drivers to give priority to cyclists in certain situations
The updated The Highway Code urges drivers and motorcyclists not to cut across cyclists when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane. This rule applies whether the cyclist ahead is using a cycle lane, a cycle track or simply riding on the road ahead.
Drivers are meant to stop and wait for a safe gap when cyclists are:
Approaching, passing or moving away from a junction
Moving past or waiting alongside still or slow-moving traffic
Travelling on a roundabout
Are these rules legally enforceable?
These updates are aimed to keep road users as safe as possible, but not everything in The Highway Code is legally enforceable.
While some of the rules are legal requirements (and you’re committing a criminal offence if you disobey them), many simply serve as guidance.
If you scroll through The Highway Code, you’ll see some rules include ‘must’ or ‘must not’ – these rules are supported by existing laws. For example:
You must give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing, and pedestrians and cyclists on a parallel crossing
Those that include ‘should’ or ‘should not’ are only guidance and not supported by existing laws, but may be used in evidence to establish liability. For example:
You should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross a zebra crossing
What else is changing?
Rules H1, H2 and H3 aside, there are some other changes to The Highway Code in 2022. The ‘Waiting and parking’ chapter of The Highway Code has been updated to describe the ‘Dutch Reach’. This suggests you should open your door using your hand on the opposite side to the door you’re opening. So, you would use your left hand to open a door on your right side – this naturally makes you turn your head to look over your shoulder.
Meanwhile, EV owners are being reminded that the charging cables for their cars can present a trip hazard for pedestrians.
H1: hierarchy of road users
The first (and most significant) rule in the refreshed The Highway Code sets out the hierarchy of road users. Road users who can do the greatest harm (those driving large vehicles) have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger they pose to other road users.
Pedestrians (children, older adults and disabled people in particular) are identified as ‘the most likely to be injured in the event of a collision’.
Here’s a look at what the hierarchy of road users looks like:
1. Pedestrians
2. Cyclists
3. Horse riders
4. Motorcyclists
5. Cars/taxis
6. Vans/minibuses
7. Large passenger vehicles/heavy goods vehicles
As you can see, cyclists and horse riders will also have a responsibility to reduce danger to pedestrians. Even so, the updated
The Highway Code emphasises that pedestrians themselves still need to consider the safety of other road users.
The Department for Transport says this system will pave the way for a ‘more mutually respectful and considerate culture of safe and effective road use’.
Rule H2: clearer and stronger priorities for pedestrians
This rule is aimed at drivers, motorists, horse riders and cyclists.
The Highway Code now states clearly that, at a junction, you should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road that you’re turning into. Previously, vehicles had priority at a junction.
Drivers should also give way to pedestrians waiting to cross a zebra crossing, and pedestrians and cyclists waiting to cross a parallel crossing (a combined pedestrian and cycle crossing).
Meanwhile, cyclists should give way to pedestrians on shared-use cycle tracks, and are reminded that only pedestrians (including those using wheelchairs and mobility scooters) can use the pavement.
Pedestrians are allowed to use cycle tracks unless there’s a road sign nearby that says doing so is prohibited.
Rule H3: drivers to give priority to cyclists in certain situations
The updated The Highway Code urges drivers and motorcyclists not to cut across cyclists when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane. This rule applies whether the cyclist ahead is using a cycle lane, a cycle track or simply riding on the road ahead.
Drivers are meant to stop and wait for a safe gap when cyclists are:
Approaching, passing or moving away from a junction
Moving past or waiting alongside still or slow-moving traffic
Travelling on a roundabout
Are these rules legally enforceable?
These updates are aimed to keep road users as safe as possible, but not everything in The Highway Code is legally enforceable.
While some of the rules are legal requirements (and you’re committing a criminal offence if you disobey them), many simply serve as guidance.
If you scroll through The Highway Code, you’ll see some rules include ‘must’ or ‘must not’ – these rules are supported by existing laws. For example:
You must give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing, and pedestrians and cyclists on a parallel crossing
Those that include ‘should’ or ‘should not’ are only guidance and not supported by existing laws, but may be used in evidence to establish liability. For example:
You should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross a zebra crossing
What else is changing?
Rules H1, H2 and H3 aside, there are some other changes to The Highway Code in 2022. The ‘Waiting and parking’ chapter of The Highway Code has been updated to describe the ‘Dutch Reach’. This suggests you should open your door using your hand on the opposite side to the door you’re opening. So, you would use your left hand to open a door on your right side – this naturally makes you turn your head to look over your shoulder.
Meanwhile, EV owners are being reminded that the charging cables for their cars can present a trip hazard for pedestrians.
THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK
Life President⭐⭐
That Dutch reach rule is punishable with a fine up to £1000. No points on Licence though. It's been reported. So that doesn't come under the must or must not wording which normally means a fine or fine and points for disobeying. Wording says you should open the door..... All very confusing. Most people will not bother doing the Dutch reach.
As I read it, despite the headlines from the media that people “will be fined £1000 for opening doors”, it was actually ‘could be” fined “up to £1,000” IF they recklessly injure a cyclist by randomly opening their doors like a **** without looking.
When you take all the blustering and triggering out of it all, it’s pretty much keep a better eye out for vulnerable people on the road.
You’ll know whether it’s worth engaging in a conversation about it by how quickly someone throws “road tax” into the discussion.
WestStandBlue
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Sounds like you was the unreasonable one then when this “bellend” just trying to do his job.
blueblueblue
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You would give a stranger your driving licence or passport, so they can take a picture of it? OK....
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐
I occasoionally hve to flash my Spanish ID card for the postie,don't see the problem really.
blueblueblue
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He wanted to take a picture of it.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐
That's weird but probaly just admin.I've ocasionally had an Amazon employee ask me for +photo my Spanish ID number.
blueblueblue
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I've had deliveries with an age resctriction in the past and the delivery driver has used common sence (I look 49) and not asked me my age. This guy was a plum, he specificly asked for my driving licence or passport. I questioned him and was told it's policy to take a picture of one or the other.
Alarm bells straight away.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐
Sadly, I think it's just Amazon policy but you're right it's ridiculous when you get to our sort of age.I can remember being in the US and asked to produce some ID when asking for a drink.I was a long haired 21 at the time and was still rather annoyed!
blueblueblue
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The World we live in when common sense goes out the window.
Mad Cyril
The Fresh Prince of Belfairs⭐⭐
Brand new Macbook Pro has failed on startup this morning and if I don't get it fixed soon I lose a day's income as well.
Mad Cyril
The Fresh Prince of Belfairs⭐⭐
Out-of-control SpaceX rocket on collision course with moon
• Update: New information suggests rocket built by China, not SpaceX - see footnote
www.theguardian.com
No doubt Elon Musk will walk away scot free from this yet try dumping a chest freezer full of half empty paint tins and used motor oil on National Trust land and you are looking at a hefty fine.
RobM
55 years as a supporter!⭐
What's hacking me off? Unreasonable I know but...
The increasing use of "You know what...?" and "Ya know wha' I mean?" I have a friend who says this a lot. Irritating.
They're even more common that "Well, basically".
The increasing use of "You know what...?" and "Ya know wha' I mean?" I have a friend who says this a lot. Irritating.
They're even more common that "Well, basically".
What's hacking me off? Unreasonable I know but...
The increasing use of "You know what...?" and "Ya know wha' I mean?" I have a friend who says this a lot. Irritating.
They're even more common that "Well, basically".
Well... do you know what he means, though?
RobM
55 years as a supporter!⭐
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