• Welcome to the ShrimperZone forums.
    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which only gives you limited access.

    Existing Users:.
    Please log-in using your existing username and password. If you have any problems, please see below.

    New Users:
    Join our free community now and gain access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and free. Click here to join.

    Fans from other clubs
    We welcome and appreciate supporters from other clubs who wish to engage in sensible discussion. Please feel free to join as above but understand that this is a moderated site and those who cannot play nicely will be quickly removed.

    Assistance Required
    For help with the registration process or accessing your account, please send a note using the Contact us link in the footer, please include your account name. We can then provide you with a new password and verification to get you on the site.


The Camden Cad
Aug 24, 2004
North London
If you happen to be in possession of a British passport and you're in Berlin tonight, it might be worth taking your football boots with you. Given the speed at which England's stars are dropping out of contention, you'll probably get a game.

Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole and Steven Gerrard are all out with injuries, so the side that takes the field in Berlin will be very different from Fabio Capello's ideal selection. It rather begs the question, why are England even bothering?

International friendlies used to be something to look forward to until Sven Goran Eriksson came along and ruined them. The nadir of his reign, according to some, wasn't defeat to Portugal or Brazil in those quarter-finals, it was a cold night at Upton Park when he made eleven substitutions and was beaten by Australia. The sight of the captain's armband being handed round from pillar to post was too much for some fans to take.

But the initial signs from the Fabio Capello regime have been encouraging. The Italian manager reportedly demanded that the FA arranged games that would challenge his team, hence this test and the forthcoming clash against Spain. Capello is a man who knows that winning is a habit that comes more naturally if you beat the best, and he may also reflect on the fact that defeat isn't nearly as humiliating when it comes at the hands of a worthy adversary. What's to be gained with a friendly against Austria or Greece?

There are also some promising players to be examined at a higher level. Gabriel Agbonlahor and Ashley Young, Aston Villa's quicksilver forwards, now have a chance to shine against Europe's top grade defenders. Michael Carrick, no spring chicken, gets to show off how much he has developed since moving to Old Trafford. Most intriguingly of all, Capello has selected the Chelsea reserve defender Michael Mancienne, a star of the U21's, but someone who has never made a Premier League start. It is only a shame that Joe Hart, the impressive Manchester City goalkeeper, is another to miss out through injury. It would have been interesting to see how he fared.

Despite his hugely impressive start at the helm of the national team, Capello's work here has only just begun. He wants to set down a foundation for the future and make sure that the players outside the central core know and understand what he is about. His discipline and his ideas have already transformed the senior players and you never know when a selection of expensively maintained metatarsals are going to snap like twigs in the autumn. It's better to bring in someone who has been blooded than hurling a rookie into the fray.

With the amount of key players out on both sides, this won't be one for the sponsors, but if you want to get an idea of where England are going and who's hitching along for the ride, this match will be a clear indication. Practice, experience and momentum. That's why England, even with out Gerrard and Lampard, are bothering.
Aug 11, 2008
I agree Slip, it's worth the bother to look at players like Agbonlahor and Mancienne, but maybe Fab should pick a squad of 'second tier' players every time we play a friendly to avoid this farce, because it's going to happen every time. I would advocate a rule that prevents players from playing for their clubs for at least seven days after a friendly international when they have cried off injured.

Matt the Shrimp

aka Harry Potter
Oct 27, 2003
Lewisham, London
I admire the cut of your gib, Rusty... but your suggestion will never, ever be implemented while the clubs rule the FA and the Premier League (as they clearly do).



Oct 26, 2003
Totally pointless friendly, even with our first XI what seriously could Capello learn that he didn't from the last two qualifying games all of a month ago?


The OG King
Jan 22, 2007
And now Walcotts withdrawn too. His reason is fairly genuine though having dislocated his shoulder