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[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ Nov. 18 2005,12:58)]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Nov. 18 2005,12:55)]In the five year gap where I would have sat the A levels and gone to Uni I learnt so much more about life, the city, money etc. I've never regretted it for one minuted.

That's what university is for - you surely can't think that tax dodgers actually study?  

I think the old idea that students have the life of riley is gradually fading.

They don't get handouts any more but loans ,in 77 when I started my first job after bombing out of Uni, my student grant letter came through the day after my job offer, the Grant was more than my salary. My son has just gone to uni, his loan is meant to cover tuition fees, accomodation books and living expenses. My Grant did not include any tuition fees and I would guess would be the equivalent of 12k at current prices (although he would not be entitled to quite the grant I got as I earn comparitely more than my dad did).

So he has to get a job whilst studying, doing assignments and attending lectures. which isn't easy when there are 5,000 + others in the same boat.
Also in my day, the smaller number of students meant that the infrastructure (lecture halls study areas etc) we not "oversubscribed" My course was intense but we never started before 9.30 and finished at 5, Nowadays in order to accomodate the massive numbers of Students and courses into the Lecture halls etc, lectures are being run from 9 in the morning till 7 at night. Evening work is going to be difficult to fit in if you don't finish lectures until 7 but have to be in uni for a 9 o/c start on other days (and the locals get all the saturday jobs !)

And you can't dodge tax if you aren't earning !!!

 

[Napster]

I don't like the tax-dodger claim for one reason-

I spent more money on beer, which includes VAT, than I do now...

BTW, I got a grant and a loan. I'm still in debt, 7 years later!

 

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 18 2005,13:24)]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ Nov. 18 2005,12:58)]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Nov. 18 2005,12:55)]In the five year gap where I would have sat the A levels and gone to Uni I learnt so much more about life, the city, money etc. I've never regretted it for one minuted.

That's what university is for - you surely can't think that tax dodgers actually study?  

I think the old idea that students have the life of riley is gradually fading.

They don't get handouts any more but loans ,in 77 when I started my first job after bombing out of Uni, my student grant letter came through the day after my job offer, the Grant was more than my salary. My son has just gone to uni, his loan is meant to cover tuition fees, accomodation books and living expenses. My Grant did not include any tuition fees and I would guess would be the equivalent of 12k at current prices (although he would not be entitled to quite the grant I got as I earn comparitely more than my dad did).

So he has to get a job whilst studying, doing assignments and attending lectures. which isn't easy when there are 5,000 + others in the same boat.
Also in my day, the smaller number of students meant that the infrastructure (lecture halls study areas etc) we not "oversubscribed" My course was intense but we never started before 9.30 and finished at 5, Nowadays in order to accomodate the massive numbers of Students and courses into the Lecture halls etc, lectures are being run from 9 in the morning till 7 at night. Evening work is going to be difficult to fit in if you don't finish lectures until 7 but have to be in uni for a 9 o/c start on other days (and the locals get all the saturday jobs !)

And you can't dodge tax if you aren't earning !!!

My comment was meant to be firmly tongue in cheek.

Things have certainly changed since my day (only 13 years ago). I was reminiscing a few weeks ago with a guy in my office who did the same course as me at the same Uni. He was shocked when I said I only had 8 hours a week of formal tuition and perhaps did a similar number of hours of study in my own time. The rest of my time was spent "learning about life", mainly drinking, and spending my grant

. The same course these days and it's 30+ hours of formal tuition plus most of his contemporaries had part-time jobs.

I'd hate to be a student now. I guess that's what comes of having a so called "socialist" government - if the Tories had tried to abolish grants and introduce tution fees all hell would've broken loose.

 

[Firestorm]

I think its one big spiral,
There were few jobs in the late 70's early 80's which meant employers upped the qualifications required in a quick way of avoiding hundereds of applications and interviews,
This meant more people stayed on getting better qualifications so the employers upped their standards again. So more people required univerity places, the newly "privatised" uni's / Poly's duly obliged and student numbers rocketed (keeping unemployment a bit lower at the time) The problem was then that the massive increase in students would prove to be a ridiculous burden on the state if the old grant system was still in place, so the current set up was cobbled together.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ Nov. 18 2005,14:24)]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 18 2005,13:24)]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ Nov. 18 2005,12:58)]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Nov. 18 2005,12:55)]In the five year gap where I would have sat the A levels and gone to Uni I learnt so much more about life, the city, money etc. I've never regretted it for one minuted.

That's what university is for - you surely can't think that tax dodgers actually study?  

I think the old idea that students have the life of riley is gradually fading.

They don't get handouts any more but loans ,in 77 when I started my first job after bombing out of Uni, my student grant letter came through the day after my job offer, the Grant was more than my salary. My son has just gone to uni, his loan is meant to cover tuition fees, accomodation books and living expenses. My Grant did not include any tuition fees and I would guess would be the equivalent of 12k at current prices (although he would not be entitled to quite the grant I got as I earn comparitely more than my dad did).

So he has to get a job whilst studying, doing assignments and attending lectures. which isn't easy when there are 5,000 + others in the same boat.
Also in my day, the smaller number of students meant that the infrastructure (lecture halls study areas etc) we not "oversubscribed" My course was intense but we never started before 9.30 and finished at 5, Nowadays in order to accomodate the massive numbers of Students and courses into the Lecture halls etc, lectures are being run from 9 in the morning till 7 at night. Evening work is going to be difficult to fit in if you don't finish lectures until 7 but have to be in uni for a 9 o/c start on other days (and the locals get all the saturday jobs !)

And you can't dodge tax if you aren't earning !!!

My comment was meant to be firmly tongue in cheek.  

Things have certainly changed since my day (only 13 years ago). I was reminiscing a few weeks ago with a guy in my office who did the same course as me at the same Uni.  He was shocked when I said I only had 8 hours a week of formal tuition and perhaps did a similar number of hours of study in my own time.  The rest of my time was spent "learning about life", mainly drinking, and spending my grant  

.  The same course these days and it's 30+ hours of formal tuition plus most of his contemporaries had part-time jobs.

I'd hate to be a student now.  I guess that's what comes of having a so called "socialist" government - if the Tories had tried to abolish grants and introduce tution fees all hell would've broken loose.

All hell did break out over the issue of tuition fees, only for the government to bring in all their Scots MP's to vote on an issue that directly affected England & Wales but had sweet bugger all to do with Scotland.

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 18 2005,13:42)]I don't like the tax-dodger claim for one reason-

I spent more money on beer, which includes VAT, than I do now...

Thats because it was not your money you were spending.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Bob Cratchitt @ Nov. 18 2005,14:43)]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Nov. 18 2005,13:42)]I don't like the tax-dodger claim for one reason-

I spent more money on beer, which includes VAT, than I do now...

Thats because it was not your money you were spending.  

 

 

Loans still have to be paid back, you know

 

[ShrimperOT]

BSc applied biology from Luton College of Higher Ed, via 1 year at Wolves Poly
Failed at my attempt to get a post grad certificate in education (primary) from Univ of Hertfordshire.
BSc in Occupational Therapy from Canterbury Christ Church University College.
I was the archetypal permanent student but have finally got the perfect career (and large unmanageable debt - hey ho! you can't have everything!)

 

[HUTTON]

college drop-out

 

[andrew_sthnd]

Portsmouth Uni - Business IT

Any other fellow Shrimpers here?

 

[shrimperman]

things have changed alot. i think alot of students these days tend to live at home and commute to there closest decent university. nowadays, instead of the criteria being 'what you know' it is now 'how much money have you got'. the problem is greed - whereas university's use to be run on reputation they are now all businesses out to make as much money as possible and leaves the student as nothing other than a commodity or money making tool. they then resort to part time jobs which has a detrimental effect on there education.

to give you an idea ill run through my week as a full time commuting 4th year (out of 7) architecture student. work sunday 7-4 at a well known supermarket chain, have lectures on monday from 9 - 7. tuesday and wednesday i work 8-6 at an architects practice to complement my course. thursday and friday i work continously to get coursework done (as a general rule you are expected to do three times private study than that of lectures) saturday is my day off where i play football in the morning and watch the blues in the afternoon depending on how much work i have to catch up on. so if im a tax-dodger or any other degradious parasite then please point me as to where i am going wrong! rant over  

 

[gilbo]

Business Studies at University of Portsmouth, final year student.

also studied teaching at King Alfred's College in Winchester, but I found out I hate kids so not really the best of career choices!

 

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (shrimperman @ Nov. 18 2005,17:42)]things have changed alot. i think alot of students these days tend to live at home and commute to there closest decent university. nowadays, instead of the criteria being 'what you know' it is now 'how much money have you got'. the problem is greed - whereas university's use to be run on reputation they are now all businesses out to make as much money as possible and leaves the student as nothing other than a commodity or money making tool. they then resort to part time jobs which has a detrimental effect on there education.

to give you an idea ill run through my week as a full time commuting 4th year (out of 7) architecture student. work sunday 7-4 at a well known supermarket chain, have lectures on monday from 9 - 7. tuesday and wednesday i work 8-6 at an architects practice to complement my course. thursday and friday i work continously to get coursework done (as a general rule you are expected to do three times private study than that of lectures) saturday is my day off where i play football in the morning and watch the blues in the afternoon depending on how much work i have to catch up on. so if im a tax-dodger or any other degradious parasite then please point me as to where i am going wrong! rant over  

I suggest you use some of your spare time on Saturday to attend to your grammatical shortcomings.

A shining example of slipping standards is as follows: "detrimental effect on there education". You wonder why us old gits sometimes despair.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Welcome to Studentzone!
Of the 1,700 fans tomorrow, how many are students? Poor old Forest, they think they are cashing in from a big away following and they've sold 1,500 concessions!

 

[Yellow Army]

at moment i'm doing a BA Hons in Media, then i might be going off to do a degree in Football Studies, and Football management.

 

[shrimperman]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Nov. 18 2005,19:25)]

Quote[/b] (shrimperman @ Nov. 18 2005,17:42)]things have changed alot. i think alot of students these days tend to live at home and commute to there closest decent university. nowadays, instead of the criteria being 'what you know' it is now 'how much money have you got'. the problem is greed - whereas university's use to be run on reputation they are now all businesses out to make as much money as possible and leaves the student as nothing other than a commodity or money making tool. they then resort to part time jobs which has a detrimental effect on there education.

to give you an idea ill run through my week as a full time commuting 4th year (out of 7) architecture student. work sunday 7-4 at a well known supermarket chain, have lectures on monday from 9 - 7. tuesday and wednesday i work 8-6 at an architects practice to complement my course. thursday and friday i work continously to get coursework done (as a general rule you are expected to do three times private study than that of lectures) saturday is my day off where i play football in the morning and watch the blues in the afternoon depending on how much work i have to catch up on. so if im a tax-dodger or any other degradious parasite then please point me as to where i am going wrong! rant over  

I suggest you use some of your spare time on Saturday to attend to your grammatical shortcomings.

 A shining example of slipping standards is as follows: "detrimental effect on there education". You wonder why us old gits sometimes despair.  

so you use my minor grammatical error whilst writing an informal post on a forum as a 'shining' example of slipping standards. blimey, standards are most definately slipping, you wouldnt have seen that happen in past years

 

[C'mon you Blues]

and it's definitely

pedantry rules

 

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (shrimperman @ Nov. 18 2005,22:42)]so you use my minor grammatical error whilst writing an informal post on a forum as a 'shining' example of slipping standards. blimey, standards are most definately slipping, you wouldnt have seen that happen in past years  

 

[shrimperman]

lucky im not an inglish langwidge studant!!!

 

[overseas shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Sao Paulo Shrimper @ Nov. 18 2005,14:12)]

Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ Nov. 18 2005,13:04)]

Quote[/b] (Sao Paulo Shrimper @ Nov. 18 2005,12:57)]Went to Tommy Mores in Westcliff and was a part of the best football team ever to play and never lost a home game and won sh!t loads of trophys. We was sh!t hot as basketball and cricket as well. On the education side i was pretty dire amnd left at 16.

What am i doing now you ask?

A dustman?

Working at RBS?

Well i am working in Sao Paulo as i offshore financial advisot having a blinding time.

Education is for wimps...

I went to T.M.

When did you attend?

I was there between '82/87.

I was there between 92 and 97, just a boy still OS!

My God... you started FIVE years after I left!

I am old.