Question First to raise the question - Maher out?

[Tangled up in Blue]

That'a not how it works. You sack a manager because there's evidence that he needs sacking, not because there is no evidence that he will succeed in the future. 1.Where is the evidence that any manager will succeed in the future?

2.When are people going to wake up and see the state this club has been reduced to, and revise their expectations down as a result?

It might be a low bar after Bond, Campbell, Molesley and Brown mk II, but Kev is doing a good job at the moment.

1.See my reply to Great Yarmouth's post.

2.I make you right on your second point btw:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

He has succeeded already in his first 12 months. He is the first manger in about 8 that has taken us up the table rather than down

Your plan of sack another manger has proved to be a disaster over the previous 3 seasons before Kev arrived.

Now you want to sack a man who is succeeding because he might not succeed (what ever that is) in the future......

After we finally won at Cardiff in the play-off final should we have sacked Tilly because there was no proof he would 'succeed' in L1.

FWIW ,I agree with your first point.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

1.Don’t we have more chance with a bit of stability rather than starting over yet again? Kev & Co are doing lots of good things. We’re not in fear of relegation. It could take years to escape the NL - look at Wrexham, Notts County and others.

2. For what it’s worth I think we’ve no chance of play offs til we make better decisions in the final third, up the goal count and get much better at taking/defending set pieces. Get those things right .. who knows.. Kev might sway those doubters. Unlikely it’ll be this season though.

1Agree with what I've highlighted.

2.As you say "who knows".

 

[dusterman]

If anyone can’t see the improvement and promise we are showing, then I’m bemused to be honest. Yes we blow hot and cold, play for one half and look poor in the other.

I believe we’ll come good this season and perhaps make playoffs. Just seeing 11 players care is what I want to see and we’re getting that. There are players with sell-on value and the team is bonding which is clear to see.

Yes I’d like to try 4 at the back and see more bite in the middle, but I’m sure we’ll get that with Taylor coming back.

Thanks Kev and team for trying to give us our club back on the pitch.

Less said about the scumbag who owns it but life ain’t a fairytale.

 

[Hadleigh-shrimper]

No stupid post close thread . This is one the most ridiculous threads I’ve ever seen on the zone ngl . We all knew this would take time back to back relegations and a lot of players from semi pro why do people think we have some Devine right to be top of the table . I’m actually stunned

 

[Wingnut]

I asked myself the same question last week ,
See I’ve never rated Maher to be fair ,but there is three of them ,who makes the decisions on tactics.
I would be happy if he changed tactics to match the game but seems to stick with it
All the time .disappointed that he never brang any lumps in during the close season just to mix it up a bit we are not going to get out of this league the way we play,but saying that who else is there to take over
I would be happy to finish mid table this season and give until next year then take it from there,obviously what’s happening upstairs don’t help

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I asked myself the same question last week ,
See I’ve never rated Maher to be fair ,but there is three of them ,who makes the decisions on tactics.
I would be happy if he changed tactics to match the game but seems to stick with it
All the time .disappointed that he never brang any lumps in during the close season just to mix it up a bit we are not going to get out of this league the way we play,but saying that who else is there to take over
I would be happy to finish mid table this season and give until next year then take it from there,obviously what’s happening upstairs don’t help

You mean like he did against Daggers recently.
Took a striker off, rejigged the formation and strengthened the midfield. We had most of the play second half and got the goal we needed to get a draw after being totally over run first half

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Some reasonable pointers by@Wingnut, we all, (most of us) recognise that without Gus and Ralph we don't play the wing back, floating 3 4 3 but play as a 5 2 3 and lose the midfiled for much of a game.
But it is a chicken or egg situation, if we, the team, players, squad don't stick with it then how will we make it function when we have the chance too?
Next transfer period will be interesting, if we can make the changes of players required as we are, imo 3 short of what is needed, maybe 2 or one if Cards and Ralph can be injuryfree. Make that none if Steve gets sorted pdq.
#Maherstays

 

[Piledriver]

I have a question on the back of this which is replace him with who exactly?.

We desperately needed stability, in terms of not being relegated every season and we've got it now.

We needed a team who can spot a player early on rather than the usual journeyman/injury prone has been and we've got it.

Let's give them time because sacking a manager in November, who's team are mid table still and under a horrible reign of Con Martin isn't gonna do us any favours long term.

MM is available lol or even PB , no change for me, obviously we're a lot better organised if a little slow in getting the ball into goalscoring areas and behind the backline, we're going to be better with Ralph and Arnold fit plus Taylor as an option as midfield 3 I think despite Miley being good I think Neal was more dominant and still a big miss imo, be good also to see Murphy Cardwell tried in different pairings with Wreh Hyde & Powell so really hoping things click soon.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

No stupid post close thread . This is one the most ridiculous threads I’ve ever seen on the zone

It's up against some very stiff competition.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The first anti-Kevin Maher thread got closed down very quickly.This one has lasted quite a bit longer .While I don't think he's the Messiah , I don't think he's a very naughty boy either.The truth (as always ) lies somewhere in between.

 

[Mr Browns Ghost]

Love Maher would he gutted if the band break up … I think there signings have been poor and I think they are daydreaming thinking the players we have signed will cut it .. they certainly won’t improve significantly .. the issue is the players we have gambled on are not good enough .. they are better than those they have replaced but not good enough to win you lots of games

 

[Texas Eslan]

Yes you're right a bit contemptible as a comment and not meant.

Firstly this isn't based on one game. These comments based on over 30 years watching blues. You have a reasonably good view of what's working what's not.

As examples, immediately watching Barry Fry's teams, David Webb and Steve tilson - even Steve Thompson who stopped a rot. All built winning teams which were enjoyable to watch and impactful. Then pretty much all the rest with some notable poor exceptions.

At the top level it's win loss draw ratios and the goals scored conceded but that's not really your question.

in my last business which we built from the ground and sold the company. The conditions he is experiencing are no different to what we had to do. Nearly running out of money, paying people late, investing in growth to plot a bigger future. All are very similar and we would never have achieved what we did without some of the sacrifice and risks to get there. If people couldn't operate in that environment them they left. But there were plenty who could and they benefited.

To me bad referees, injuries, behind the scene issues are all excuses. You control what you can control and how we play, the entertainment in this situation and results should be in our control. I don't like mediocrity.

That's why I don't see upside here. I can't see how playing the same with the same players is going to get a better outcome or the outcome we all want and aspire to longer term - and all agree with - to be entertained, success and pride for our team.

I’ll be honest, I’d have thought you would love someone like Kevin Maher in your business. The guy has come in to a failing team, managed it with the players he had at the time to a respectable level and over time has brought in players that fit his mould more.

Now we have a fitter, faster, younger group of players fighting to be in the lower end of the playoffs (which, if we are all honest here, is really the best we can hope for given the quality of some of the teams). This is adding value. We have resellable assets now namely Mooney, Lopata, Lomas and possibly others.

We also play a far more attractive brand of football. Creating a lot of chances although unfortunately not scoring as many as we would like, built on the best defence in the league.

Tell me what in the above isn’t to your liking? Is it results?

If so, at the start of the season I predicted we would finish 8th at best. This was based on what I thought were 7 better sides. Wrexham, Chesterfield, Notts County, Boreham Wood, Solihull Moors, Dagenham and Halifax (the only debatable one now admittedly). We have played 6 of these 7 sides so far, 2 home and 4 away. Results. 4 draws and 2 defeats. Of the other 7 games played we have 4 wins, a draw and 2 defeats. I’d say that’s pretty good going.

So in essence until someone can blow me away with solid reasoning not to support Maher then I am 100% in his corner.

 

[Jai]

I haven't read the whole thread because the sentiment is unhinged but the original post says 'keep doing the same thing and the same thing will keep happening'. Yes, like refusing to give managers any time and changing them every 6-8 months has really worked over the past four years.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

I trust Maher and co and I trust their genuine intentions. Maher has flaws but after the past 5 years plus, I want him to stay as long as possible whilst becoming a better manager and the results going our way as well.

I predicted a mid table finish this season and I still stand by that. We're not good enough to get promoted this season but thankfully we're good enough to avoid another relegation scare and just getting smashed every week like we did for a good few seasons.

For now, I think that's a decent achievement all things considered on and off the pitch. As it stands I still don't think we'll get promoted next year either. We're just not seen as a great club to go too, players talk to other players and I don't think there's that many who would recommend us to friends etc therefore limiting us in the player pool.

 

[defender05]

Personally think making a change now will not help us at all, we have gone from recruiting older players and hoping they can still compete at our level to signing up and coming players and hoping they can step up to our level. What we need is a few players in-between, some been there and done it at this level, know how to work the refs etc. As it stands we will out pass teams and be out muscled by others, we just need to get the balance right.

 

[Holy Joe]

I’ll be honest, I’d have thought you would love someone like Kevin Maher in your business. The guy has come in to a failing team, managed it with the players he had at the time to a respectable level and over time has brought in players that fit his mould more.

Now we have a fitter, faster, younger group of players fighting to be in the lower end of the playoffs (which, if we are all honest here, is really the best we can hope for given the quality of some of the teams). This is adding value. We have resellable assets now namely Mooney, Lopata, Lomas and possibly others.

We also play a far more attractive brand of football. Creating a lot of chances although unfortunately not scoring as many as we would like, built on the best defence in the league.

Tell me what in the above isn’t to your liking? Is it results?

If so, at the start of the season I predicted we would finish 8th at best. This was based on what I thought were 7 better sides. Wrexham, Chesterfield, Notts County, Boreham Wood, Solihull Moors, Dagenham and Halifax (the only debatable one now admittedly). We have played 6 of these 7 sides so far, 2 home and 4 away. Results. 4 draws and 2 defeats. Of the other 7 games played we have 4 wins, a draw and 2 defeats. I’d say that’s pretty good going.

So in essence until someone can blow me away with solid reasoning not to support Maher then I am 100% in his corner.

Looks to me like you have removed the emotion and looked at facts

 

[Harry Bullocks]

I think the saying is that one swallow doesn’t make it a summer but after today’s performance
I think KM is safe for the time being

 

[cerbera45]

PS - expectations on SZ are incredible.
Anyone that thinks we were going to challenge at the top of the table this season was wildly wrong.
Flirt with the play offs, yes.

Next season, for me, is when we should be challenging, and if not, then I would question things.

not just limited to Shrimperzone

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Bump. Oops.