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Well last night was an absolute flop.

Selby fight was made awkward for him by some awful cuts. He looked alright at his new weight, wonder how he would’ve got on without that first cut.

Joyce looked slow as ****! If you watched that fight in fast forward it would’ve look like a fighter fighting at normal speed. Stiverne is a 40 year fat **** and that’s what he looked like. He came for a pay day and that was obvious. It’s a good name for Joyce to have on his record but the fight itself was not good for his name. Plus I wished they would stop interviewing him, he’s thick as mince. The bloke has literally nothing about him!

And the main fight, DeGale is well and truly gone! I genuinely don’t think he has ever recovered from that war with Badou Jack. He just had nothing left. A better performance from Eubank. It actually looked like for the first time in his career he had a plan and it showed he had a trainer in his corner. Had he had one from the start of the career he might actually be a real world champion! His Dad was a nightmare as usual when Nate Vazquez was giving him instructions in the corner all you could hear was his dad shouting pointless advice. That man is poisonous to his sons career, he has a trainer for a reason now just butt out. Anyone who thought it was a great performance by Eubank is deluded! It was an ok performance against a man who is well and truly shot!

Where does Eubank go next? I’d be targeting Dirrell or Plant for a real world championship belt. Knowing the Eubank team they will go for BJS and he absolute destroys him. Now the rumours I’ve now heard is that Rameriez hasn’t vacated the belt and BJS is no longer fighting for the WBO belt. Rameriez, BJS, Benevedez (WBC in recess) all smash Eubank. Dirrell would be his easiest target and I think Plant would put in a good shift. He needs to stick with the trainer and keep his dad as far away as possible!


Shame about Degale, I've a lot of time for him over his career, but like you say most people have been talking about his slide since the Jack fight.

Re: Eubank, it was more disciplined from him, and his workrate was always gonna be a problem for Degale at this stage in his career, the thing is with Eubank, he stills stands still and tees off looking for the big shots, and trying to lands in flurries. But his lack of movement when throwing shots will be a big worry for if he fights any top level fighters with a good game plan - an unfit BJS was able to make him look slow and silly for half a fight, and Groves was able to beat him almost with his jab alone, because he always knew where Eubank would be. He's improved for sure, but he won't trouble the top tier for my money (whatever that's worth lately!)
 
Shame about Degale, I've a lot of time for him over his career, but like you say most people have been talking about his slide since the Jack fight.

Re: Eubank, it was more disciplined from him, and his workrate was always gonna be a problem for Degale at this stage in his career, the thing is with Eubank, he stills stands still and tees off looking for the big shots, and trying to lands in flurries. But his lack of movement when throwing shots will be a big worry for if he fights any top level fighters with a good game plan - an unfit BJS was able to make him look slow and silly for half a fight, and Groves was able to beat him almost with his jab alone, because he always knew where Eubank would be. He's improved for sure, but he won't trouble the top tier for my money (whatever that's worth lately!)

Spot on about Eubank.

I think he’s at his peak now. Can’t see how he improves? He can’t get any faster. Stronger? Debatable. He’s too old/set in his ways to change his footwork I’d also add that I’ve never rated his power.

He just hasn’t got the attributes to trouble the elite level.

Also, we may differ on things, but your opinions are as valid & welcome as anyone’s mate. You know that. Always good to see you posting in here.
 
Spot on about Eubank.

I think he’s at his peak now. Can’t see how he improves? He can’t get any faster. Stronger? Debatable. He’s too old/set in his ways to change his footwork I’d also add that I’ve never rated his power.

He just hasn’t got the attributes to trouble the elite level.

Also, we may differ on things, but your opinions are as valid & welcome as anyone’s mate. You know that. Always good to see you posting in here.


Yeah, agreed - the only improvement open to him, was improving his discipline through an 'actual' coach, and he's done that, I can't see how else he can improve his skillset at this stage,

Ha, mate, I enjoy this thread as much as any other, irrespective of how wide of the mark some of the opinions are on here! Joking aside, I enjoy the differing opinions, adds a better flavour to discussions, just kids and work seem to think they are priority at the moment, it's ok, they're beginning to learn the errors of their ways.
 
Anyone watching the NXT GEN card tonight? I like Jordan Gill think he will do well in his career. Always liked Dave Caldwell as a trainer and wish his fighters the best of luck. Although I find Anthony Fowler very annoying, his constant plugging of CBD gets tiresome.
 
Great win by Gill! For someone who isn’t known for KO’s his last two fights have been very impressive.
 
Great statement by Dubois tonight! He will be one to watch in a couple of years time. Hope he fights Gorman this year as Warren says.
 
Massive fight this weekend and it’s free on ITV4 so set your sky boxes or alarms. As the 2am start with the main event probably being around 4.

Mikey Garcia v Errol Spence.

4 weight world champion Mikey Garcia goes up to welterweight to fight the undefeated Errol Spence. Who some might remember from the Brammal Lane fight vs Kell Brook. Some say he is the best in the division. Personally although he looks class I don’t think he is the best in the division and I think a fully fit rust blown away Thurman beats him and I think Crawford beats him too. This is a massive step up for Garcia who everyone thought we would get a super fight against Loma. Will Spence be too big for Garcia.

My prediction is Garcia on points SD, I think he will outbox Spence using his slick footwork and excellent head movement. The only worry he has is if Spence lands as he is a big welterweight and carries his power well. But hopefully the slickness of Garcia will be enough to keep Spence away. Garcia has a good chin and hopefully it will be able to take Spence’s power but only time will tell.

This has the potential to be fight of the year with two of the P4P best in the world.
 
The WBO have ordered that Kovalev is to fight Yarde next. Let’s hope Yarde takes the step up and doesn’t duck him.
 
As usual I got it completely wrong and Spence outboxed and destroyed Garcia. Just goes to prove the saying right that the bigger man will also beat the little guy. Garcia jumped up two weight divisions and took a hell of a beating showed he had some balls.

Now I don’t buy the whole he’s the best in the division after that win though. He’s beaten a weight drained Brook who had surgery on an eye socket and suffering in confidence after being smashed by GGG and he beat Lamont Peterson. He doesn’t have the wins that someone like Thurman has. He’s now called out Manny, why not fight Crawford, Porter or Thurman? He needs to fight a proper champion not someone on their way out. I’m going to be honest I don’t like Spence so if he does fight Manny I’ll be team Manny all the way.
 
Manny was there at the fight talking with Mayweather . I wonder what about .mmmmm
 
I hope so !

Really? I’m not so sure the last one wasn’t the greatest and it’s something that should’ve happened 5-10 years ago. It’s more about money than legacy anymore. I’ll watch it but I wouldn’t pay for it whereas years ago had it happened both in their prime I would have paid good money to see it.
 
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As usual I got it completely wrong and Spence outboxed and destroyed Garcia. Just goes to prove the saying right that the bigger man will also beat the little guy. Garcia jumped up two weight divisions and took a hell of a beating showed he had some balls.

Now I don’t buy the whole he’s the best in the division after that win though. He’s beaten a weight drained Brook who had surgery on an eye socket and suffering in confidence after being smashed by GGG and he beat Lamont Peterson. He doesn’t have the wins that someone like Thurman has. He’s now called out Manny, why not fight Crawford, Porter or Thurman? He needs to fight a proper champion not someone on their way out. I’m going to be honest I don’t like Spence so if he does fight Manny I’ll be team Manny all the way.

I'm surprised at that to be honest, I like Spence a lot as a fighter, and I think he beats Thurman all day long. I too was out with my prediction, albeit a little closer than you, I had it pretty much as it happened, just expected the fight to be stopped in the championship rounds.

Three things for me, make Spence one of the best around. His most impressive is his footwork, it's exceptional. A few times (beginning of fifth and some point in the seventh were the best examples), Garcia attempted to be really offensive and back Spence up to the ropes, now bear in mind how good Garcia is around his weight class, he's capable of cutting off the ring, and putting fighters under pressure. Every time, Spence would take three of four steps, slipping all Garcia's shots in the process and immediately holding the centre of the ring again. His footwork also means that Spence is always in range to land his shots, but rarely in range to be hit.

His shot selection, and this goes hand in hand with with his footwork. But the victory against Brook was built on this, he came in and systematically broke Brook down, by working the body in the first half of the fight, knowing t would pay dividends late on, and as he got to the middle of the fight, he opened up his repertoire, landing more and more to the head and body, as Brook visibly tired from the onslaught to the body. Yes, Brook was struggling for weight, but this fight plan was perfectly executed, and because Brook had some success early doors, people really don't give Spence the credit he deserves for that victory. What Spence did against Garcia, was change it up. Garcia clearly expected the body onslaught, hell most of us did - I did. But Spence used his footwork to land his jab with impunity, in jab, cross, out, in jab, hook, out. It was simple, unexpected, and made an easy night's work, it helped he had the power to make sure he backed Garcia up each time. And it frustrated Garcia, so occasionally, Garcia would come at him, sometimes with success, but it was here that Spence targeted the body. I'm genuinely impressed Garcia lasted the pace, I honestly thought he should have been pulled though (not just because of my bet), no-one needs a brave corner.

Thirdly, his accuracy is excellent, he rarely wastes a shot, the stats he posted that night against a smaller, supposedly quicker man were phenomenal, no matter where he was targeting he almost always landed.

I think he beats Thurman (and I like Thurman), he just has more in the locker. But it'd be a good fight.
 
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I'm surprised at that to be honest, I like Spence a lot as a fighter, and I think he beats Thurman all day long. I too was out with my prediction, albeit a little closer than you, I had it pretty much as it happened, just expected the fight to be stopped in the championship rounds.

Three things for me, make Spence one of the best around. His most impressive is his footwork, it's exceptional. A few times (beginning of fifth and some point in the seventh were the best examples), Garcia attempted to be really offensive and back Spence up to the ropes, now bear in mind how good Garcia is around his weight class, he's capable of cutting off the ring, and putting fighters under pressure. Every time, Spence would take three of four steps, slipping all Garcia's shots in the process and immediately holding the centre of the ring again. His footwork also means that Spence is always in range to land his shots, but rarely in range to be hit.

His shot selection, and this goes hand in hand with with his footwork. But the victory against Brook was built on this, he came in and systematically broke Brook down, by working the body in the first half of the fight, knowing t would pay dividends late on, and as he got to the middle of the fight, he opened up his repertoire, landing more and more to the head and body, as Brook visibly tired from the onslaught to the body. Yes, Brook was struggling for weight, but this fight plan was perfectly executed, and because Brook had some success early doors, people really don't give Spence the credit he deserves for that victory. What Spence did against Garcia, was change it up. Garcia clearly expected the body onslaught, hell most of us did - I did. But Spence used his footwork to land his jab with impunity, in jab, cross, out, in jab, hook, out. It was simple, unexpected, and made an easy night's work, it helped he had the power to make sure he backed Garcia up each time. And it frustrated Garcia, so occasionally, Garcia would come at him, sometimes with success, but it was here that Spence targeted the body. I'm genuinely impressed Garcia lasted the pace, I honestly thought he should have been pulled though (not just because of my bet), no-one needs a brave corner.

Thirdly, his accuracy is excellent, he rarely wastes a shot, the stats he posted that night against a smaller, supposedly quicker man were phenomenal, no matter where he was targeting he almost always landed.

I think he beats Thurman (and I like Thurman), he just has more in the locker. But it'd be a good fight.

How do you think he would fair against Crawford?
 
See that a guy I used to play football against is fighting in the ultimate boxer middleweight tournament?? Never heard of it but it's at the o2 and on BT sport apparently on may 10th. I'll probably give it a look, the guy is Called Kaan Hawes, local lad from Witham. To be honest I hated playing against him as he was a dirty horrible player but he's probably better suited to a sport where his aggression isn't a problem.
 
Really? I’m not so sure the last one wasn’t the greatest and it’s something that should’ve happened 5-10 years ago. It’s more about money than legacy anymore. I’ll watch it but I wouldn’t pay for it whereas years ago had it happened both in their prime I would have paid good money to see it.
I agree it should have happened 5 -6 years before it did but Mayweather kept dodging him, but if you view the 4th round you will see Pacman have mayweather in a corner and he is hurting Mayweather ,then all of a sudden Pacman will step back, he never does that when he has his opponent at his mercy, it was then i knew Pacman had a tear in his left shoulder superspinatus, and believe me they are painful,i know i suffered the same injury ,it took mine 4 years to heal properly, i couldnt raise my arm above shoulder height or lift anything over 5kg without pain shooting down my arm.
 
I agree it should have happened 5 -6 years before it did but Mayweather kept dodging him, but if you view the 4th round you will see Pacman have mayweather in a corner and he is hurting Mayweather ,then all of a sudden Pacman will step back, he never does that when he has his opponent at his mercy, it was then i knew Pacman had a tear in his left shoulder superspinatus, and believe me they are painful,i know i suffered the same injury ,it took mine 4 years to heal properly, i couldnt raise my arm above shoulder height or lift anything over 5kg without pain shooting down my arm.

Floyd schooled him. But ok, I’ll entertain the idea that Pac got injured, and this hampered him detrimentally during the fight...

...I’ve not seen anything from him, since that fight, which makes me believe he’s now got enough to trouble Floyd.

Floyd does what Floyd does, wins on points by wide decision.
 
Fowler getting beaten by Fitzgerald, great fight and an excellent performance!
 
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