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Making of a Murderer

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BillTheShrimper said:
Agreed. If I remember correctly in the series, Theresa Halbach had only been missing for about 12 hours and he said something ridiculous like "I hope she's found alive or if not i just want to move on and grieve". What a bizarre thing to say considering she hadn't even been missing a day...
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Yes, yes. This.....I instantly picked up on this.
 
Steve Avery is a nasty piece of work and is guilty as sin. Don't let a ridiculously biased TV show convince you otherwise.

I'm delighted to see poor Brendan hopefully get out though.
 
Beefy said:
Steve Avery is a nasty piece of work and is guilty as sin. Don't let a ridiculously biased TV show convince you otherwise.

I'm delighted to see poor Brendan hopefully get out though.
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I'm intrigued - what do you know about SA that wasn't included in MAM? I was undecided at the end of the series, but after reading more about the case the complete lack of any physical evidence placing TH in the place she was supposed to have been killed left me with more than reasonable doubt.
 
I'm not criticising the show - it was one of the best things I've seen on TV in years and I honestly watched all ten episodes in one sitting (I hadn't planned to but I needed to see what happened). But the show was selling a narrative and took extreme artistic license with the story it was telling. It left a lot out in terms of Avery's well-known obsession with the poor girl who got killed, the fact that he had previously opened the door on her whilst naked,that he was believed to have been prank calling her for a while and that people who had spent time with him in his previous conviction have testified that he'd spoken many times about the best way to cover a murder being the exact type of burning that the body had gone through.

There's just too much coincidence for it not to have been Avery. That isn't to say that the local Police didn't plant evidence because they certainly appeared to. But that in itself doesn't mean that anyone else killed him. The alternative is that the Police were culpable in a horrific and premeditated murder which I think is much less likely than a nasty piece of work had killed a woman he had an obsession over.
 
Beefy said:
I'm not criticising the show - it was one of the best things I've seen on TV in years and I honestly watched all ten episodes in one sitting (I hadn't planned to but I needed to see what happened). But the show was selling a narrative and took extreme artistic license with the story it was telling. It left a lot out in terms of Avery's well-known obsession with the poor girl who got killed, the fact that he had previously opened the door on her whilst naked,that he was believed to have been prank calling her for a while and that people who had spent time with him in his previous conviction have testified that he'd spoken many times about the best way to cover a murder being the exact type of burning that the body had gone through.

There's just too much coincidence for it not to have been Avery. That isn't to say that the local Police didn't plant evidence because they certainly appeared to. But that in itself doesn't mean that anyone else killed him. The alternative is that the Police were culpable in a horrific and premeditated murder which I think is much less likely than a nasty piece of work had killed a woman he had an obsession over.
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I have not seen the 10 part series but if all that were true, then why did she go out to the yard alone?

Why did her boss even let her go ?
 
rigsby said:
I have not seen the 10 part series but if all that were true, then why did she go out to the yard alone?

Why did her boss even let her go ?
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Avery made the appointment using his sister's name and I believe she was freelance, and hence her own boss. I heartily concur with Beefy's analysis regarding Avery, but I also believe that Dassey was guilty. His confession may have been improperly obtained, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true.
 
Watched some follow up documented about this case.

Turns out the often quoted “There’s so much evidence you didn’t get to see which proves his guilt”.... Is simply not true..... Just more spin from the prosecution side and payed media hosts etc.

For example the bone fragments found were counted as individual pieces of evidence..... so when you hear 900 bits of evidence against SA... that’s not really true.

Still brings into question the whole jury system and whether it is viable in the modern world. Let’s hope we never sink to US style TV trials with mad prosecutors as the star of the show.
 
The second season is out now on Netflix. Watched the first couple of episodes over the weekend.

Still currently of the opinion that
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Steven Avery did it but probably shouldn't have been convicted, and Brendan Dacey isn't guilty and shouldn't have been convicted.
 
The Bamber case is certainly an interesting one.

Not least the handling of the original evidence at the house.
 
AndyT said:
The Bamber case is certainly an interesting one.

Not least the handling of the original evidence at the house.
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Doing a Bamber apparently was used by Essex police as slang for bodging an investigation.
 
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