footymad13
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I think Connie was worth £1000 with a good bonus scheme, i do believe the club were at fault on this and its got to stop however its time to move on.
Yes, Luke, but you're not the fcuking manager!!![b said:Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 27 2004,15:19)]I think Connie was worth £1000 with a good bonus scheme, i do believe the club were at fault on this and its got to stop however its time to move on.
Matt,[b said:Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 27 2004,15:32)]Presumably, the club can afford more, but obviously Tilly didn't.
... and our football league status wasn't guaranteed.[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ May 27 2004,15:16)]erm, because we didn't have a manager?[b said:Quote[/b] (blue sky @ May 27 2004,15:14)]Two thoughts.....
1. Why did the club wait until the end of season to offer key players (Connie, Maher etc) new contracts? Surely these negotiations could have been started months ago?
If the club were indeed offering £700 basic then they are at fault.We have watched Connie score 25 goals. 800 odd people have paid a bloody big rise in there STs to keep these people.[b said:Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ May 27 2004,15:32)]Yes, Luke, but you're not the fcuking manager!!![b said:Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 27 2004,15:19)]I think Connie was worth £1000 with a good bonus scheme, i do believe the club were at fault on this and its got to stop however its time to move on.
You might have had a valid point, but you end up making it sound so conceited it's untrue.
Who exactly are you to say:
1. a player is worth a certain amount?
2. the club is at fault?
Try a more measured approach - like I did on my other e-mail about this issue... i.e.
<span style='color:blu'>Presumably, the club can afford more, but obviously Tilly didn't. Not sure I understand why he didn't - after all isn't goalscoring the ultimate test of ability and utility? However, if that's what Tilly thought, then we have to back him...</span>
Matt
Okay, but the club have never said 'promotion at any cost'... which means a line has to be drawn somewhere.[b said:Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 27 2004,21:38)]We all know the position we are in however the board say they want promotion. Now i am not expecting them to pay thousands per player that is breaking the bank. But jesus that extra little bit to keep our key players is that really too much to ask.
To use your analogy... power tools may be the ideal option... however... Tilly may only be able to afford hand tools.[b said:Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 27 2004,22:47)]Just give him the tools to do the job ..
Im not saying break the bank its just common sense at times. If you want to do well then you have to get your wallet out. If you want to pay peanuts you will get monkeys.[b said:Quote[/b] (overseas shrimper @ May 28 2004,08:31)]Okay, but the club have never said 'promotion at any cost'... which means a line has to be drawn somewhere.[b said:Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ May 27 2004,21:38)]We all know the position we are in however the board say they want promotion. Now i am not expecting them to pay thousands per player that is breaking the bank. But jesus that extra little bit to keep our key players is that really too much to ask.
Where that line must fall is something we cannot say because we do not have the necessary information at hand.
I'm not saying I am 100% behind the club... and I am not accusing the club of any screw ups... because of the above reasons.
I heard Connie was part of a Trotskyist faction with Cort. Rumour is that they and Maher were under pressure to leave for their unconventional beliefs.[b said:Quote[/b] (Guest @ May 27 2004,21:11)]I know for a fact that Ron Martin is a Marxist and everybody at the club from Marky Gower down to the girls who sell the pies get paid exactly the same amount- £45 a week cash-in-hand. Roots Hall nowadays is run by the maxim 'you give what you can and take what you need'. Surprising though it may seem most players were happy with this arrangement last season, although word has it that there has recently been a split between the opposing Leninist and Stalinist camps which may explain why Constantine did the offs.
If we don't keep hold of our players or fail to attract new ones then I blame the capitalist mode of production NOT the board.
I think you'd actually find Leon not only had the lowest wage at the club but also the lowest goal bonus incentive too... just thought you'd like to know that!![b said:Quote[/b] (fbm @ May 27 2004,09:31)]I think you'll find the £700 was a basic which could have been increased significantly through a goal bonus.
That is how his pay was structured I believe this season, and presto! 25 goals.
If Leon was that confident of his ability to score then that actually is a very good deal and puts the earnings firmly in Leons hands... the more he scores, the more he earns. However, if he isn't that confident that he could repeat last seasons performance then he would be more comfortable with the higher basic so that he earned more money without the same level of performance.
So is he worth it then?
I think Tilly had it spot on with him to be honest. I thank Leon for what he's done and wish him well anyway.