bazzashrimper
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Also it looked like a foul for our first goal, but that doesn't get a mention 😀
Also it looked like a foul for our first goal, but that doesn't get a mention ��
Think the point is that this was his fourth foul having already been booked. On the third occasion he brought the captain over and I assume made it very clear he would be off for another foul, then bottled it when the moment came. Undermined himself completely.He did, but it's only a yellow card offence, unless on the goal-line, for deliberate handball and I didn't think it was deliberate.
More a case of trying to control a fast moving ball and it catching the top of your arm, rather than your chest.
Agreed, just seen it again on the television - nothing doing.You mean McGlashans foot in that poked the ball thru to Fortune for his goal? Never a foul in a million years
He did, but it's only a yellow card offence, unless on the goal-line, for deliberate handball and I didn't think it was deliberate.
More a case of trying to control a fast moving ball and it catching the top of your arm, rather than your chest.
It's only handball if the ref perceives it to be deliberate.
The law really needs to change, so that any hand/ball contact is a non-yellow card (and if in the area, non-penalty) offence penalised with a free kick unless it is clearly deliberate. Will remove all this complete nonsense about "arms/hands in unnatural positions" that is used as a proxy for intent.
From where I was sitting it was clearly deliberate.
I think his main problem was that he wasn't fit enough to keep up with play so was guessing what happened from too far away and was far too easily led by the reactions of players from both sides. I think our first goal was from a poor back pass, their sending off could easily just have been a booking on another day as the ball was going away from goal. McGlashen's first yellow he certainly played the ball but went in too strongly, the second was never a yellow -Henderson bought the foul by stepping in front of the rapidly moving McGlashen - he did not tug him - he just got mugged.
The referee had no chance of knowing whether Lund handled it - Lund was between him and the ball - it wasn't deliberate and the lino eventually told him that.
All game he was giving what he thought he saw. We only conceded 7 fouls all game.
just about sums it up for meMr Lewis' main claim to fame is the fact that he was the assistant referee involved in the incredible decision when Tottenham's Pedro Mendes' long shot at Old Trafford was about two yards over the line but no goal was given.
hey mick. Is this the greatest number of posts for your ref watch spot?:winking:
From where I was sitting it was clearly deliberate.
I wasn't arguing that it wasn't, I was saying that the point being made about the yellow card for deliberate handball was misguided, because it can only be penalised at all (according to the laws) if it is deliberate.
No, not even close. Simon Hooper in the playoff final warranted 7 pages !!
So an attempt to trap the ball which turns into handball does not qualify for a caution.
There is no mandatory yellow card for "deliberate handball". Indeed, as pointed out above, all handballs have to, by definition, be deliberate. (There are some mealy mouthed guidelines provided which go on about unnatural arm and hand positions and are intended to help the referee in his interpretation of "deliberate".)
A caution for unsporting conduct could include:
* a handball to break up a promising position for the opposition
* attempting to score a goal by handling
* a failed attempt to prevent a goal by handling
So an attempt to trap the ball which turns into handball does not qualify for a caution.
However it could have been the final straw which brought about a second caution for persistently infringing the laws of the game.