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Where do we go from here?

There’s very little difference between L2 and the NL. At least today we finally showed some fight and scored 3 goals from open play. BW would probably survive in L2 as would most NL clubs aside from those at the bottom. So we can compete if we want to. I still think we’re going down, but I feel slightly less depressed today than I did up until half time V Bradford.
 
Is it down to the lake I fear
Aye ,aye, aye aye ,aye yeah ,yeah,yeah ,aye ya,ya aye,ya ya yeah yeah!
Love Nick Heywood! Great lyrics?
 
In a season where every weekend seems to be a new low for this football club of ours, today brings another new low. Last season we existed the FA Cup after a 1-0 defeat to Dover in what was a very poor performance. Today we exist at the same stage only this time after losing on penalties after a 3-3 draw away to Boreham Wood. In a way, for me personally today's result is worse than last years. Performance wise it was much better than that against Dover, we actually showed a bit of fight and a bit of passion, something we've lacked a lot of this season but despite that, it still wasn't enough to beat a very average National League side. If we've learnt anything from today though it is that at least next season we should be able to compete, just about. Make no mistake about it though, as a football league side it's always embarrassing to be beaten by a non league team. Trouble is, I'm so used to losing now that I don't feel embarrassed.

A big problem of ours this season has been scoring goals. Prior to our first today, we had gone over 650 minutes without scoring a goal from open play. A truly disgusting stat. Today though, we manage to score two goals inside the 90 minutes and another in extra time, away from home no less and still we can't win a game. For me, our biggest problem right now is the state of our defense and that starts with Mark Oxley. As an experience goal keeper, you'd be forgiven for expecting him to be a leader at the back, someone who organizes his defense, someone who commands his area.. this bloke has worn the captains armband for us for christ sake. In fact, what you get with him is someone who is very reluctant to come off his line. Someone who isn't very vocal, at all. Someone who will put his defense under needless pressure by throwing/kicking it to the opposition. Mark is a very good shot stopper but that's about it. Nobody can tell me that our defenders go in to games with confidence that he'll save them. The defense itself needs a major overhaul. We haven't kept a clean sheet since January and if we don't improve it's not unrealistic to suggest that we will before that stat becomes a year. Two out of the three goals again today were the result from poor set piece defending. This isn't a new thing, we've been poor at this for a few seasons now. My question is, what the hell do we do all week in training to prevent this? I'm not privy to what goes on at Boots and Laces during the week but given MM philosophy I'd hazard a guess and say a lot of what we do revolves around little five yard passes and general possession based drills rather than actually focusing on what our weak links clearly are. It's one of the reasons I'm starting to doubt whether we have the right man in charge. In my opinion, results won't start to get better until our defensive problems have been resorted.

On Mark himself, a couple on here were very vocal a few weeks ago whether he was the right man for the job. As the weeks have gone by and the results ultimately have got worse, more and more seem to have turned and until now I have always stood up for MM and defended him. Well, I think that now comes to an end. Whilst I will continue to believe that our off field problems and Ron in general will make it hard for any manager to succeed here, I just haven't seen enough improvement in us over the last few weeks to suggest that we are going to go in any other direction other than down under his stewardship. We have been told what a hard worker he and his staff our and that's all well and good but if you spend as much time as you apparently do watching and rewatching defeats and you still can't work out that our defense whether it be playing out from the back or from set pieces is where we are going wrong then I don't know what to say. Each and every one of us on here can see it, why can't they? Do I think Ron will get itchy feet and get rid of Mark this early? From what it sounds like no but with each defeat the shouts from fans will get louder and louder and eventually Ron will have to act.

If/when he does though, who next? Will we see the same old names thrown in to the mix? Those romantic ideas of Tilson coming out of the footballing wilderness to save us from certain doom? The dreamers of us who want to see Adam Barrett at the helm? Maybe even Craig Fagan be given his chance after doing good things over the last few years with the U23's. I really don't know. What irks me though is this week we've seen Mansfield sack Graham Coughlan (could he be a possible candidate?) and bring in Nigel Clough which for me is an excellent appointment at this level. Oh and they only went away to Sunderland today and won, talk about an instant new manager bounce! Is there any other names out there who could do a job?
Great post ?
 
We have to keep faith in the manager. For **** sake people..
Do me a favour, this man is not cut out for the job. No way. FIFTEEN games to register a win & counting.

It’s not all at the feet of the players, MM & his 6 back room pals share some of the load.

I agree with Andy_S on here & think we need an old hand in here (suggestions?) with an actual idea of how to set up a team & how League 2 works.

I think Molesley will be ok 2 or 3 jobs down the line but he’s too inexperienced to be cutting his managerial teeth on a relegation battle.

We had it right in Tilson & Brush until Ron Martin decided to get rid of Brush & bugger things up.
 
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We’re either going to go down or stay up, neither will mean the end of SUFC despite what the doommongers and Ron haters say. Clearly staying up is the preference but other clubs have gone down, survived and even got promoted back again. We’re in the **** league position wise but we’re a lot lighter on the wage bill and we’ve got rid of the “bad apples” everyone wanted out. Sadly we’re left with the ones who ain’t much good but hey ..
Things aren’t looking too rosy tonight BUT in football strange things happen and we’re due a break. It would be good if Molesley did succeed. He can’t carry on not winning games sadly, that’s just the risk comes with the job. MM knows it, he’s got to deliver fast cos he doesn’t have the luxury of shopping at the top end and he’s stuck with what he’s got. He hasn’t bought himself time by grinding a few wins out. He was presumably hired for his forward thinking ideas and potential so let’s hope we see that bear some fruit before the trigger gets pulled. A couple of wins and the mood will change.
 
I am sorry and although I may be in the minority, but Phil Brown was the start of our current problems. He wanted to shop in a market we couldn't afford and unfortunately Ron blindly followed him.

I didn't like the way he bawled the players out in public, thought that showed a lack of class on his part. He always had to be involved in transfers to keep his name in the paper. Rob Kiernan for one, Josh Wright and Anton Ferdinand are 2 others that spring to mind. There are others.

I have no idea how Ron can dig himself out of this hole, but unless there are performance targets, I cannot see how on earth the Club can afford to dispense with the management team and start again.

We can only hope that when MM can bring in the players he wants and things improve. However, I fear that relegation is almost a certainty and any recruitment should reflect the urgent need to find a way back into the League at the first attempt. Certainly not easy but not impossible.

All in all a very sad state of affairs.
 
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In a season where every weekend seems to be a new low for this football club of ours, today brings another new low. Last season we existed the FA Cup after a 1-0 defeat to Dover in what was a very poor performance. Today we exist at the same stage only this time after losing on penalties after a 3-3 draw away to Boreham Wood. In a way, for me personally today's result is worse than last years. Performance wise it was much better than that against Dover, we actually showed a bit of fight and a bit of passion, something we've lacked a lot of this season but despite that, it still wasn't enough to beat a very average National League side. If we've learnt anything from today though it is that at least next season we should be able to compete, just about. Make no mistake about it though, as a football league side it's always embarrassing to be beaten by a non league team. Trouble is, I'm so used to losing now that I don't feel embarrassed.

A big problem of ours this season has been scoring goals. Prior to our first today, we had gone over 650 minutes without scoring a goal from open play. A truly disgusting stat. Today though, we manage to score two goals inside the 90 minutes and another in extra time, away from home no less and still we can't win a game. For me, our biggest problem right now is the state of our defense and that starts with Mark Oxley. As an experience goal keeper, you'd be forgiven for expecting him to be a leader at the back, someone who organizes his defense, someone who commands his area.. this bloke has worn the captains armband for us for christ sake. In fact, what you get with him is someone who is very reluctant to come off his line. Someone who isn't very vocal, at all. Someone who will put his defense under needless pressure by throwing/kicking it to the opposition. Mark is a very good shot stopper but that's about it. Nobody can tell me that our defenders go in to games with confidence that he'll save them. The defense itself needs a major overhaul. We haven't kept a clean sheet since January and if we don't improve it's not unrealistic to suggest that we will before that stat becomes a year. Two out of the three goals again today were the result from poor set piece defending. This isn't a new thing, we've been poor at this for a few seasons now. My question is, what the hell do we do all week in training to prevent this? I'm not privy to what goes on at Boots and Laces during the week but given MM philosophy I'd hazard a guess and say a lot of what we do revolves around little five yard passes and general possession based drills rather than actually focusing on what our weak links clearly are. It's one of the reasons I'm starting to doubt whether we have the right man in charge. In my opinion, results won't start to get better until our defensive problems have been resorted.

On Mark himself, a couple on here were very vocal a few weeks ago whether he was the right man for the job. As the weeks have gone by and the results ultimately have got worse, more and more seem to have turned and until now I have always stood up for MM and defended him. Well, I think that now comes to an end. Whilst I will continue to believe that our off field problems and Ron in general will make it hard for any manager to succeed here, I just haven't seen enough improvement in us over the last few weeks to suggest that we are going to go in any other direction other than down under his stewardship. We have been told what a hard worker he and his staff our and that's all well and good but if you spend as much time as you apparently do watching and rewatching defeats and you still can't work out that our defense whether it be playing out from the back or from set pieces is where we are going wrong then I don't know what to say. Each and every one of us on here can see it, why can't they? Do I think Ron will get itchy feet and get rid of Mark this early? From what it sounds like no but with each defeat the shouts from fans will get louder and louder and eventually Ron will have to act.

If/when he does though, who next? Will we see the same old names thrown in to the mix? Those romantic ideas of Tilson coming out of the footballing wilderness to save us from certain doom? The dreamers of us who want to see Adam Barrett at the helm? Maybe even Craig Fagan be given his chance after doing good things over the last few years with the U23's. I really don't know. What irks me though is this week we've seen Mansfield sack Graham Coughlan (could he be a possible candidate?) and bring in Nigel Clough which for me is an excellent appointment at this level. Oh and they only went away to Sunderland today and won, talk about an instant new manager bounce! Is there any other names out there who could do a job?

Oxley is hopeless.He is not brave and doesnt go in where it hurts. He has gone from POTY to a liabilty. I have noticed this in him long before this awfull run.
Yes he is a decent shot stopper sometimes but thats not what goalkeeping is about.

MM shows no real passion to me. I dont lay the majority of blame at his door tho. Its often a convenient footballing cliche but IMO he and his staff look completely out of their depth..The owner has caused all of this mess and continues to, at best , misslead the fans. Recruitment at first team level has been appalling and very wastefull,both with players and coaching staff. The club has been drained of its optimism to the core.
I suggest Martin is gambling on either other clubs going out of business or the season being curtailed again...This is unacceptable at Isthmian league level, let alone Division 2!
 
Think MM is not the right guy for this team. I don't see a man on the sideline busting a gut, shouting at players and tbh... Giving a bollocking where its needed.. Did you see and hear the Boreham manager.. Was constantly on the sideline shouting, motivating etc... This is what I'd like to see from our manager.
 
How loud you shout at a player isn't indicative of your quality as a manager, let's get him a loudspeaker if so. I don't remember most of the management greats being overly vocal on the sidelines. Much like the goalkeeper is not always the issue, they are the last line of defence with no protection in front of them. My point is the outfield players on the pitch are more in control of what happens than anyone else. I'm rambling but ultimately there is no confidence in the team and no amount of shouting at them is going to instill that. Look at Elvis, when he had confident players around him he was a completely different player to us even though he still made mistakes, conceded possession etc. This is a series of wrong decisions made in terms of who was brought in, what they were paid, who was at the helm, and the vast majority of them things that people asked for on here. We have got rid of the over paid players without realising that what's in there place aren't going to be good enough straight away and their confidence is going to be destroyed due to the circumstances. Is MM the answer, I don't know, but I also know another change in personnel can't be the way to go either, performance on the pitch and financially. We've tried to get a seat at the big table and failed, we've bet on red and should have bet on black. No one is more frustrated than I but these players were never going to turn things around immediately, therefore neither was the manager.
 
Think MM is not the right guy for this team. I don't see a man on the sideline busting a gut, shouting at players and tbh... Giving a bollocking where its needed.. Did you see and hear the Boreham manager.. Was constantly on the sideline shouting, motivating etc... This is what I'd like to see from our manager.
Maybe it's a case of camera angles? This season we have be treated to only watching on a TV screen and that is not the way to see what a manager may, or may not, have been doing saying. Yesterday for example, our assistant manager copped a yellow from the ref for being too vocal. WE desperately need more experienced fit players, and then is the time to judge more dispassionately.
 
Maybe it's a case of camera angles? This season we have be treated to only watching on a TV screen and that is not the way to see what a manager may, or may not, have been doing saying. Yesterday for example, our assistant manager copped a yellow from the ref for being too vocal. WE desperately need more experienced fit players, and then is the time to judge more dispassionately.
Yes this very true, suppose feeling frustrated. I forgot I saw the yellow on our sideline
 
I just hope we start the Walsall game with the team and formation we used when aquah went off. We looked dangerous then and capable of scoring. n
If we lose against Walsall I think it's time up for MM just based on results.
 
I am sorry and although I may be in the minority, but Phil Brown was the start of our current problems. He wanted to shop in a market we couldn't afford and unfortunately Ron blindly followed him.

I didn't like the way he bawled the players out in public, thought that showed a lack of class on his part. He always had to be involved in transfers to keep his name in the paper. Rob Kiernan for one, Josh Wright and Anton Ferdinand are 2 others that spring to mind. There are others.

I have no idea how Ron can dig himself out of this hole, but unless there are performance targets, I cannot see how on earth the Club can afford to dispense with the management team and start again.

We can only hope that when MM can bring in the players he wants and things improve. However, I fear that relegation is almost a certainty and any recruitment should reflect the urgent need to find a way back into the League at the first attempt. Certainly not easy but not impossible.

All in all a very sad state of affairs.

Don’t agree with this. Signing those players was the wrong thing to do, but all managers will seek to bring in the best players they can. It’s the job of the chairman to decide what the club can or cannot afford. My criticism of Ron is that a) he should have a told his manager the club couldn’t afford signings like that even if that meant fan discontent, and b) he should have stopped Brown accumulating too many players with no sell on value.

That said, player recruitment since Brown left has been nothing short of shocking. Powell made some poor signings, Bond even worse, and Campbell to be fair to him made the side slightly better without ever introducing a player of his own. Molesley, for me, has failed to appreciate the situation we are in and the type of player we need. However recruiting any player who has an offer from another club must be difficult currently given our well publicized financial situation.

As I’ve said before, we need a manager that understands this league and knows players at this level. He doesn’t have to be a serial promotion winner - that’s not the situation we are in currently. He needs to be able to stop the rot. Someone like Keith Curle would fit the bill, although he’s got a job currently. There must be another like him.
 
Think MM is not the right guy for this team. I don't see a man on the sideline busting a gut, shouting at players and tbh... Giving a bollocking where its needed.. Did you see and hear the Boreham manager.. Was constantly on the sideline shouting, motivating etc... This is what I'd like to see from our manager.

 
It is so bad at the moment that it really can’t get any worse by sacking MM and his huge team. Wake up - we have 2 points all season for gods sake.

At least RM will save on wages whilst Rome burns around him.
 
It could have been worse if we’d lost 3-0 rather than showed some long overdue fight, movement, attempts on goal, a goal, two goals and three goals from open play in the same game. All things we were desperately craving to signal some improvement. I genuinely expected us to lose yesterday so the result hasn’t been as bad for me to take, of course the manner if defeat is tough.

I want to see if we improve with White, Mac and Akinola in the side. Plus there might still be Hart and another to come in yet.
It’s ok though, I understand that’s what I want, many don’t and need another sacking now.
 
It's a work in progress and I am sure we can take a number of positives from yesterday. BW would trouble a lot of sides in our division. The difference between our league and theirs is less than a fag paper in width.
JO showed his ability again. An MM signing. ANG looked good. An MM signing. Others too had moments of spark and fight. It's all about stitching together more of those moments over 90 minutes until it gets us over the winning line. I suggest many of the teams, that play us in the first half of this season, will have a much stiffer test in the return fixture. Regardless of the many critics I believe we have some very good players in the making. Whereas many teams are already the done deal, we have progress in our locker. Doubters beware.
 
WE just can not continue as we are, WE LOST to a team in league below, and went two goals down that says it all MM OUT
 
Great post by @MisterStubbs :Clap:Absolutely agree on Oxley.

There is ultimately one man in particular who has killed this club, and I pray to god that IF she does sack mark (which in my opinion has to seriously be considered now) then I hope he doesn’t do his poxy 10 weeks DD to replace him. Ron simply knows sweet FA about football
Has Ron had a sex change? :Stunned:
 

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