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2017 General Election thread

I'm looking forward to it too, politics is much more interesting when there is something tangible and countrywide up for grabs

I'm not surprised she wants to avoid debate either, she is probably the least inspiring leader of the 3 biggest UK parties plus the LibDems, Greens and UKIP, but her hiding will be brought up constantly till Election Day.

In your opinion. IMO Corduroy is. He's about as inspiring as, well, corduroy.
 
Ruth Davidson got quite a kicking in the Scottish Parliament today for backing the Tory government 'rape clause'.


As all other parties are against it I feel it is a policy that may get the u-turn treatment but that the damage to the Tories reputation will have taken its toll by then. Or they may not u-turn and it will keep being brought up to embarrass them.

Still look on the bright side with a real strong Brexit it means that anyone in Europe convicted of murder rape or violence against women won't be allowed to ever come to Britain. Including any that have been given asylum anywhere else in Europe but commit rape.

No Longer will women have to look over their shoulder at the other 27 countries criminals.....Just our own. I would have thought someone who likes point out how cool and PC he is on women's issues would think that's a good idea. But no, just like Labour central office your desperate to avoid the subject of Brexit.

Good luck with your better bus service campaign.
 
In your opinion. IMO Corduroy is. He's about as inspiring as, well, corduroy.
yeah, obviously if you are taking about whether someone is inspiring when debating or making speeches it's just down to opinion - but one of the reasons Corbyn galvanised support in the leadership contests was by holding rallies and convincing hundreds of thousands to give him their vote, and often to become members specifically to give him their vote.

The reason May won't do the TV debates is that debating is not her strong point. As much as a lot of people don't like Sturgeon it is generally accepted that debating is her strong point. Not her co-leader so much but IMO Lucas gets her point across well in public speaking, and Farron is not bad as long as he is not being asked about his religious beliefs. I hate UKIP as much as anyone but I would rather listen to Nuttal speak more than May - she just never answers anything and lacks any conviction in her own words. IMO, as ever.
 
I'm sure she did. She is just the first of many who will balls up during this election. Its all part of the fun.

What was more laughable was her calms of a rigged election, even she had no conviction when she said it. Are Labour admitting defeat already?
 
Still look on the bright side with a real strong Brexit it means that anyone in Europe convicted of murder rape or violence against women won't be allowed to ever come to Britain. Including any that have been given asylum anywhere else in Europe but commit rape.

No Longer will women have to look over their shoulder at the other 27 countries criminals.....Just our own. I would have thought someone who likes point out how cool and PC he is on women's issues would think that's a good idea. But no, just like Labour central office your desperate to avoid the subject of Brexit.

Good luck with your better bus service campaign.

Clearly you have literally zero understanding about sexual abuse crimes.

The perpetrators of rape are statistically extremely likely to be known to the victim and usually be someone they are related to.

If you stop immigration (May was Home Secretary during Cameron's time period 'down to tens of thousands' was his promise) then there will be less foreign rapists in the same way there will be less foreign nurses, cleaners, IT experts, etc, etc.

Not sure that rape victims are going to take much comfort in your silver lining that in the future rapists are even more likely to be British than they are now.

And as I stated - the criticism of the Tories rape clause was not just from the Labour Party but across the board - SNP were particularly vocal.
 
Clearly you have literally zero understanding about sexual abuse crimes.

The perpetrators of rape are statistically extremely likely to be known to the victim and usually be someone they are related to.

If you stop immigration (May was Home Secretary during Cameron's time period 'down to tens of thousands' was his promise) then there will be less foreign rapists in the same way there will be less foreign nurses, cleaners, IT experts, etc, etc.

Not sure that rape victims are going to take much comfort in your silver lining that in the future rapists are even more likely to be British than they are now.

And as I stated - the criticism of the Tories rape clause was not just from the Labour Party but across the board - SNP were particularly vocal.

No there won't. What you don't understand is the benefits of controlling your boarders but luckily 75% of the population which includes half of the remainers, do. The way it works is this....You can have as many nurses as you want but you can stop every convicted rapist entering Britain.

By the way if we cant recruit workers from Europe we might just have to pay our Nurses a fair wage and they won't have to strike in future.
 
No there won't. What you don't understand is the benefits of controlling your boarders but luckily 75% of the population which includes half of the remainers, do. The way it works is this....You can have as many nurses as you want but you can stop every convicted rapist entering Britain.

By the way if we cant recruit workers from Europe we might just have to pay our Nurses a fair wage and they won't have to strike in future.
you can't have as many nurses as you want because they wont necessarily want to come to somewhere where they don't feel welcome, and if we take all of the nurses, IT experts, coffee pourers, teachers, vegetable harvesters, carers, etc etc that the economy needs to grow the immigration will be at the level it is now - but more likely to be from India and Australia as they wanted freedom of movement included in trade deals.

And that is not a justification put forward by Davidson when defending the Tory rape clause so I don't think it was part of their thinking when putting together that peice of legislation.
 
By the way if we cant recruit workers from Europe we might just have to pay our Nurses a fair wage and they won't have to strike in future.

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you can't have as many nurses as you want because they wont necessarily want to come to somewhere where they don't feel welcome, and if we take all of the nurses, IT experts, coffee pourers, teachers, vegetable harvesters, carers, etc etc that the economy needs to grow the immigration will be at the level it is now - but more likely to be from India and Australia as they wanted freedom of movement included in trade deals.

And that is not a justification put forward by Davidson when defending the Tory rape clause so I don't think it was part of their thinking when putting together that peice of legislation.

Workers will come IF we need them, shame you swallow the lies of the big tax avoiders. Like the Labour party you need to decide who you really represent.

So what ever happens in the Brexit negotiations about freedom of movement, do you think it would be a good idea that at least convicted EU rapists would be stooped from entering Britain ?
 
no one deliberately spells things incorrectly, don't worry about it - happens to everyone

no, borrowing is not going in the right direction, it's gone up every year under the Tories - as was said in Parliament and not denied on Wednesday (I've watched the full PMQs now, seems I was being lenient on May when I said her 'Labour will bankrupt Britain' every week - she said it three times in this week's session! Doesn't matter what the question is she gives that as the answer). She really needs to up her debating skills even if PMQs is the only time she is willing (no choice to swerve that one) to face the opposition.

Can you explain to me where borrowing is showing an increase on the ONS chart I provided to you please?
 
Workers will come IF we need them, shame you swallow the lies of the big tax avoiders. Like the Labour party you need to decide who you really represent.

So what ever happens in the Brexit negotiations about freedom of movement, do you think it would be a good idea that at least convicted EU rapists would be stooped from entering Britain ?
You mention big tax avoiders and then you mention the Labour Party - that was one of Corbyn's pledges yesterday - to actually crack down on big tax avoiders and to make sure that any company bidding for government contracts is not using tax havens. So it seems we can agree that is a worthy thing to tackle as well as agreeing that pay freezes for nurses should be stopped.

Rapists - long sentence and if they are deemed rehabilitated then release with a tracker so that any temptation for repeat offence will put them at the scene of the crime. That should deter foreign rapists.

We have borders. It was one Theresa May who relaxed them as a cost saving measure
 
The Echo is reporting this morning that two independents are intending to stand against Duddridge and Amess. They are Ron Woodley and Tino Callaghan. Woodley I know about, Callaghan is a new one to me. I've always voted Labour in GEs but this time I'm really struggling to decide on my voting colours. Maybe I will listen carefully to what these two indies have to say before I vote. It would certainly be a shock to the Borough if the two Lords of the Manor lost their seats, however unlikely that may seem.
 
Quick Reminder of the last shambolic Labour government to those who forgot:

1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).
2) Hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by all.
3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.
4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.
7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
8) In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
9) £660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.
11) Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.
16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
18) Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.
20) Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.
22)
The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
28) Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
32) Sexed up dossiers.
33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.
34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.
35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.
36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero hour contracts.
37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.
38) The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.
39) Thousands of dead Iraqi women and children.
40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).
41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.
42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum on EU membership.
43) Labour Party Manifesto Pledge 2001: 'We will not introduce top-up fees'.
44) One of the reasons for high energy prices is EU driven 'Green Taxes' brought in by the last Labour government.
45) It was Labour under Blair who handed control of British food regulation to the EU, (Regulation EC no 178/2002).
46) Remember when Tony Blair and Labour essentially traded guns for access to oil with Libya.
47) The Labour Party paid only £14,000 in tax in 2013, on total income of £33.3 million. (The Spectator, 30/07/
48) A systematic Antisemitism that runs rife throughout the Party.
49) Weapons of mass distraction.
50) Rotherham 1400 plus girls known to be groomed by Muslims & covered up by the council & police & left to Continue for years
 
yeah, obviously if you are taking about whether someone is inspiring when debating or making speeches it's just down to opinion - but one of the reasons Corbyn galvanised support in the leadership contests was by holding rallies and convincing hundreds of thousands to give him their vote, and often to become members specifically to give him their vote.

The reason May won't do the TV debates is that debating is not her strong point. As much as a lot of people don't like Sturgeon it is generally accepted that debating is her strong point. Not her co-leader so much but IMO Lucas gets her point across well in public speaking, and Farron is not bad as long as he is not being asked about his religious beliefs. I hate UKIP as much as anyone but I would rather listen to Nuttal speak more than May - she just never answers anything and lacks any conviction in her own words. IMO, as ever.

Don't make me laugh. It was a Momentum shoe in. It had nothing to do with his personality at all. The main reason incumbent PMs are always reluctant to debate is because for them there is no upside, only a downside.
 
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