Osborne to cut benefits

[osymandus]

'You're contributing' - I think that's what you mean. Just pointing out the 'flaw's' (sic) in your tortuous prose.

I'm here to help.

Surprisingly its not often prose that wins arguments . But if that is what floats your boat . It does explain the content and relevance of your post's mind you.

Of which the dictionary defines your replies accurately

to write or talk in a dull, matter-of-fact manner, commonplace, or dull expression.

Also to complain about the grammar in a way as to suggest it detracts , yet reply in in perfect response seems rather bizarre to me ? Or are we projecting annoyances as fact's again ;)

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Surprisingly its not often prose that wins arguments . But if that is what floats your boat . It does explain the content and relevance of your post's mind you.

Of which the dictionary defines your replies accurately

to write or talk in a dull, matter-of-fact manner, commonplace, or dull expression.

Also to complain about the grammar in a way as to suggest it detracts , yet reply in in perfect response seems rather bizarre to me ? Or are we projecting annoyances as fact's again ;)

I see you've taken great care to try and spell everything correctly on this occasion. However, your complete lack of grammatical know how is made abundantly clear by your misuse of apostrophes. Does the fact own the 'again'? I choose to highlight this deficiency in your responses because it amuses me. It also exposes you as a complete intellectual lightweight who decrees that his own opinion is truth and challenges others to disprove it, when they have no obligation to do so. If you are attempting to co-opt truth and veracity as your allies, then you need to demonstrate that you are better informed and intellectually superior to me, a task that you have as much chance of completing as Alan McCormack has of competing in the World Cup. A few banal references to mysticism and a winking smiley aren't going to do the job for you.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

Surprisingly its not often prose that wins arguments . But if that is what floats your boat . It does explain the content and relevance of your post's mind you.

Of which the dictionary defines your replies accurately

to write or talk in a dull, matter-of-fact manner, commonplace, or dull expression.

Also to complain about the grammar in a way as to suggest it detracts , yet reply in in perfect response seems rather bizarre to me ? Or are we projecting annoyances as fact's again ;)

Says the man who tried to win an argument by questioning another man's grasp of English, not three days ago. Double standards old boy.

 

[Rob Noxious]

Not me.I was very careful in the wording of what I said.

I didn't mean you, I meant 'society' - if there is one, of course. :whistling:

 

[Winkle]

Just pointing out the flaw's in your arguments . And as we have been discussed its a bit of political points scoring by anyone who in power would say yes that's what we need to do !

Its daft what you suggest . In basic terms the element you suppose are teh trouble makers who who need to beremoved are so small as to really not affect the whole of society . The nonsenses going on in France about the Rom , is a clear example (similar to your line of thinking) that a small generalised minority are the problem with all our ills and need to be got rid , in a generalised non specific manner .

As LB as siad this situation is far too complex, and needs to be looked at by everyone is a rational way . Not an emotive one.

Yes great and all that but again please tell me what you are talking about because I still have not got a clue. Are you afflicted In some way?

 

[osymandus]

I see you've taken great care to try and spell everything correctly on this occasion. However, your complete lack of grammatical know how is made abundantly clear by your misuse of apostrophes. Does the fact own the 'again'? I choose to highlight this deficiency in your responses because it amuses me. It also exposes you as a complete intellectual lightweight who decrees that his own opinion is truth and challenges others to disprove it, when they have no obligation to do so. If you are attempting to co-opt truth and veracity as your allies, then you need to demonstrate that you are better informed and intellectually superior to me, a task that you have as much chance of completing as Alan McCormack has of competing in the World Cup. A few banal references to mysticism and a winking smiley aren't going to do the job for you.

Or could be the Dyslexia i have , or the fact that an argument can be won with out your criteria, of grammar or spelling which surprisingly against you has become alot easier. Intellectual prowess has little to do with grammar syntax or its usage , they are learnt forms of expression . If that was the case great orators of our age would be also be perfect exponents of the written language , and Winston Churchill for one was certainly not . As usual your defending your formula not result . Which demonstrates your good at following structures and learned ideologies but rather poor at thinking for your self (much like many of entrenched brigade your belong to).

 

[osymandus]

Says the man who tried to win an argument by questioning another man's grasp of English, not three days ago. Double standards old boy.

No i wasn't trying to win the argument i was ripping the **** out of him, responding in the manner he often does to those who criticism his arguments.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

No i wasn't trying to win the argument i was ripping the **** out of him, responding in the manner he often does to those who criticism his arguments.

You were ripping the **** out of me? Oh, that's precious.

 

[osymandus]

Yes great and all that but again please tell me what you are talking about because I still have not got a clue. Are you afflicted In some way?

Yes Dyslexia and Dyspraxia ;). Ok simply What you state alienating a portion of society doesn't work . The troubles we are in are caused across the whole social structure we have (bankers cocked up finance , middle class white collar crime , finical mismanagement down to benefit fraud committed by all levels).

Londonblues point was the situation is too complex for simplistic answer like this , and if we keep spreading this mad idea that one social level are to blame it wont help solve the problems just make them worse .

 

[osymandus]

You were ripping the **** out of me? Oh, that's precious.

I know terrible. Man with learning , and neurological disability. Gosh a mans worth is truly measured by the quality of his foe's

 

[brigadista]

1. how many people do you actually know that have seven kids and never worked a day in their lives
2. the country has run up a massive debt bailing the banks out, if these "geniuses" had not been left unregulated and selling mortgages they all knew would go t1ts up eventually, then the poor b****ards on £65 a week now, wouldn't be getting told they've got to live on less.

so I notice that whilst shooting down some of my other points (mainly with name calling and aspertion casting), no-one has actually addressed the above post............

 

[Hotman]

1. how many people do you actually know that have seven kids and never worked a day in their lives
2. the country has run up a massive debt bailing the banks out, if these "geniuses" had not been left unregulated and selling mortgages they all knew would go t1ts up eventually, then the poor b****ards on £65 a week now, wouldn't be getting told they've got to live on less.

Ok, you addressed your original post to ESB, but I'll now answer.

Point 1 - I know of only one lady (and her husband, who is now in prison) with seven kids - neither mum nor dad worked a day in their life. Fewer kids - know many more who haven't worked a day in their life. Take a trip to some of the Shoebury council estates during the day, you'll see. I had the misfortune of growing up on them.

Point 2 - Each of the geniuses has contributed far more than the "poor *******s" like the above (yes, jailbird and his missus). Without their personal and corporate contributions, there would be no need for a reduction, as the initial amounts would be lower. But that wouldn't really affect their essentials, as both smoked and drunk heavily. Yes - smoked and drunk our taxpayers money.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

so I notice that whilst shooting down some of my other points (mainly with name calling and aspertion casting), no-one has actually addressed the above post............

What's an aspertion and how does one cast one? Is it something to do with fishing? Your post doesn't require a response because it's plainly the ramblings of a buffoon. If you really believe that there are no multi-child 'families' with a revolving door of 'uncles' who have never contributed a penny to the treasury then you're more of an idiot than I thought you were. And I think you're a towering idiot.

 

[steveo]

so I notice that whilst shooting down some of my other points (mainly with name calling and aspertion casting), no-one has actually addressed the above post............

1) None.
2) Have you considered that nobody forced anyone to get a mortgage. Theres a basic principle that a lot of people use - if you cant afford it dont buy it.

I think we discussed this in another thread where you revealed you currently had an "unfair" mortgage and there must be a better way of providing shelter for the under privileged. When I asked how many of these people you were offering shelter to in your own home, you failed to address the question.

 

[EastStandBlue]

I'll answer now...

1. how many people do you actually know that have seven kids and never worked a day in their lives
2. the country has run up a massive debt bailing the banks out, if these "geniuses" had not been left unregulated and selling mortgages they all knew would go t1ts up eventually, then the poor b****ards on £65 a week now, wouldn't be getting told they've got to live on less.

1: I know of one family with seven children by the age of 28 who might as well have been operating a conveyor belt out of her now gaping vagina, but that's not my point. There are huge numbers of multi-child families with parents who've barely made an honest days contributions because of the welfare state bred by New Labour. I can't see how anybody can contest this, as the figures are out there.

2: Bailing the banks out has certainly contributed to the deficit, of that there is no question, but this isn't a problem unique to Britain and what were we supposed to do? Watch a number of the nation's banks go to the wall? As MC pointed out, whether you like it or not, those bankers claiming bonuses have still contributed far more to society than the reams of jobless layabouts more than happy to holster their testicles while watching Jeremy Kyle.

 

[Hotman]

Brigadista, how much do you contribute to charity, and what rate of tax do you pay?

 

[brigadista]

so in true SZ form character assassination and one letter incorrect in a word rule supreme!!!

- the overriding fact is that whilst people can claim to know this person and that person, they cannot prove it, nor has anyone provided the shock horror figures as one asserted. And knowing only one family out of all of someone's aquaintances proves that this really is scapegoating to enable the wider political agenda of cutting back on benefits as a whole.
- everyone seems intent on these people taking responsibility for themselves, yet no-one has acknowledged the banking industry, and not the welfare state or civil service put the UK in it's current plight. If everyone is to take responsibility for themselves and get off their back sides, then the banking industry should repay what it took of OUR TAX to maintain their merry bonuses. Regardless of how much was contributed, the trillion quid to bail them out did far more damage. It is well recognised that they also do not pay their fair share of tax - most banks utilise a "anything over 50k in cash is paid as equity" thus if these shares are held for 3 years they attract tax at CGT not income tax. This means that as a percentage of their income they pay less than those on low income jobs.
- it is wholly lovely to say "don't get a mortgage" - but when the media, TV house buying/propery renovating programmes, politicians, news readers, comedians, neighbours are all doing it, laughing at how rich they are getting on an artificial asset bubble, and referring to a house as a commodity to trade and not as a primary function of shelter - add in the bank and mortgage seller rubbing their hands at the fees and high rate of interest, employ every selling technique in the book - then those in society that you so despise might actually have taken your advice and thought "I will try and make something better and get on the property ladder as everyone commonly recognises is a good thing to do"....life isn't as black and white as some would like to portray.
- I did not state my view no whether the banks should have been bailed out or not, just simply that were it not for the crisis in the first place, the bail out would not have even been required.

and just so you all know, as you like branding people filthy commies so much, I think the fact that many of you in your previous posts evoked the socialist principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat" means you are all raving Marxists....happy holiday in cuba comrades!!

 

[brigadista]

also pointing to the many law suits and prosecutions for mis selling of sub prime mortgages proves that many people were not told the whole facts when they decided to borrow the money in the first place

 

[steveo]

also pointing to the many law suits and prosecutions for mis selling of sub prime mortgages proves that many people were not told the whole facts when they decided to borrow the money in the first place

So how many people are you offering a shelter to then? I missed that answer.

 

[brigadista]

So how many people are you offering a shelter to then? I missed that answer.

so in true SZ form character assassination and one letter incorrect in a word rule supreme!!!

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