Scottish Independence

[Yorkshire Blue]

I think that will depend a lot on next year's general election results. Another Tory government and it will speed up the process.

A Labour government will be given longer to fail.

 

[superblue24]

The realisation of what they have done is only just hitting home with the government, this could turn into being their biggest **** up yet. Without there being a consistently larger than 50% support for change they offer to carve up Britain and then leave Europe - those are major major changes for a party that didn't get a mandate to run the country themselves and are now letting other minority parties set the agenda on these massive changes. When this government is assessed in history books in the future the chapter will be titled 'What The ****'.

Only those who dont read the subtext would think that. Benefits stopped and the sweaties have a sulk about it. Yes, it wouldnt have happened under a Labour government, but by now we'd be out there rioting and burning the St Georges flag on the streets (see Greece 2011) as we ponder being enormously in debt and downgraded to a C rating amongst the financial institutions.

I doubt the Tories would be crying about losing a country which is plastered in red come election day. Neither would I to be frank.

 

[Cricko]

The breaking of the Purdah rule has become a farce. With all this spin crap all parties and the Media from the UK are corrupt in and of course now they are influencing companies to join there merry game.

I hope the Scottish people see sense....Ditch these warmongering self serving idiots....There is one thing you have if you gain freedom from the UK and that is Hope.

 

[londonblue]

*ahem*

Let's try and keep to the topic at hand please.

Meanwhile RBS announced that they will join the exodus of jobs moving South if there's a yes vote.


I'm now fairly confident that it'll be a no vote this time (and the margin of victory may surprise a few), but it'll still be close enough and with enough uncertainty that it will stay on the political agenda.

And because of that I think this is the beginning of the end of the Union. This campaign has been divisive and of a really poor quality (no jokes please about how this reflects Scotland). The Yes campaign hadn't thought through the consequences and the no campaign had no positive message. The narrative coming out of this is therefore that people won't vote for independence as it hasn't been thought through but that there's no real reason to stay.

The Scottish Nationalists will now have several years to come up with an actually viable proposition - eg their own currency and will then be able to present it to an electorate that's been warmed up to the idea.

I don't think that is what they said. I think they said they would move their registered office to London, but no jobs would move.

BBC:

The bank said in a statement that it believed it would be "necessary to re-domicile the bank's holding company".

In a letter to staff, the bank's chief executive said there was no intention to move operations or jobs.

 

[GrumpyBlue]

The breaking of the Purdah rule has become a farce. With all this spin crap all parties and the Media from the UK are corrupt in and of course now they are influencing companies to join there merry game.

I hope the Scottish people see sense....Ditch these warmongering self serving idiots....There is one thing you have if you gain freedom from the UK and that is Hope.

If you are serious I agree with you - if not the joke`s on me :unsure:

 

[Benfleet A1]

The breaking of the Purdah rule has become a farce. With all this spin crap all parties and the Media from the UK are corrupt in and of course now they are influencing companies to join there merry game.

I hope the Scottish people see sense....Ditch these warmongering self serving idiots....There is one thing you have if you gain freedom from the UK and that is Hope.

Plus huge redundancies if the banks and businesses who have threatened to pull out do and not forgetting massive national and personal debt to pay for their new utopia. I'm coming round to this 'YES' vote malarky more and more.

 

[Swiss Tony]

The breaking of the Purdah rule has become a farce. With all this spin crap all parties and the Media from the UK are corrupt in and of course now they are influencing companies to join there merry game.

I hope the Scottish people see sense....Ditch these warmongering self serving idiots....There is one thing you have if you gain freedom from the UK and that is Hope.

Braveheart springs to mind,Cricko of the glen.

 

[Benfleet A1]

This has to be the biggest boost to the 'YES' vote yet. I'm surprised Barna isn't singing the praises from the roof tops for this indorsement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752137/North-Korea-comes-support-Scottish-independence-start-importing-whisky.html

 

[londonblue]

This is quite funny:

Shetlands and Orkney Islands to stay with UK.

Now that would be very amusing.

FWIW I think the Islanders are just posturing to gain a greater share of the North Sea oil revenues, but either way it could really blow a huge hole in the SNP economic argument!

I also find it quite funny how the SNP stance on this is pretty much the same as Westminster have been over Scotland, with quotes like:

Shetland and Orkney are an important and valued part of Scotland...

Very similar to the Westminster "Scotland is an important part of the UK"!

I don't think this would have gone down too well either:

The SNP has previously recognised the islands’ right to decide their own future but Nicola Sturgeon, the Deputy First Minister, recently angered residents by stating this was wrong because they are “not a nation”.

 

[Beefy]

I've always thought it will be a 'Yes' and continue to think so. The shift in momentum recently didn't surprise me at all.

Why wouldn't they say 'yes'? What would we do in the same situation?

I really hope that it is a 'no' and there will be a lot of blame to go around if it isn't.

 

[londonblue]

I've always thought it will be a 'Yes' and continue to think so. The shift in momentum recently didn't surprise me at all.

Why wouldn't they say 'yes'? What would we do in the same situation?

I really hope that it is a 'no' and there will be a lot of blame to go around if it isn't.

I saw Michael McIntyre last night. He joked and said they should change the question at the last minute!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

This has to be the biggest boost to the 'YES' vote yet. I'm surprised Barna isn't singing the praises from the roof tops for this indorsement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752137/North-Korea-comes-support-Scottish-independence-start-importing-whisky.html

TBH, I was in the better together camp until Easter.Talking with our daughter's flatmate,a young Scot from Glasgow and his parents (both professional people),who are all convinced Yes voters, made me change my mind.I still think there'll be a no vote though.

Had to laugh at a friend's comment in the pub last night.He reckoned that after the Scottish referendum,everyone in the rest of UK should be able to vote to decide if we still want Scotland in the union.:smile:

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I have been a NO person, and my daughter who lives up there and can vote also is NO.
But with the anti the English stuff, the £1400 a head subsidy to the Scots and the oil IS going to run out, so now I am undecided and only hope that if they go then they don't get allowed back when they in economic peril as they were 300+ years ago and begged the English for Union to stave of bankruptcy.

 

[Benfleet A1]

I have been a NO person, and my daughter who lives up there and can vote also is NO.
But with the anti the English stuff, the £1400 a head subsidy to the Scots and the oil IS going to run out, so now I am undecided and only hope that if they go then they don't get allowed back when they in economic peril as they were 300+ years ago and begged the English for Union to stave of bankruptcy.

If they go then stay gone. We need a bigger wall than what the Romans built...........And heavy machine guns...............And minefields................ and attack dogs.........really really big sharp toothed attack dogs........armed with heavy machine guns.

 

[South Bank Hank]

really really big sharp toothed attack dogs........armed with heavy machine guns.

I think we're losing touch with reality now. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Your average attack dog works much more effectively with machetes. Feed them on haggis and irn bru so they get a taste for the meat.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Ireland, who became independent from the UK in 1922 and formed the Republic went bust recently didn't they? remind me again who is bailing them out?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Ireland, who became independent from the UK in 1922 and formed the Republic went bust recently didn't they? remind me again who is bailing them out?

Actually,you're a little behind the times.They've already paid back what they owed the EU bail out fund.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Actually,you're a little behind the times.They've already paid back what they owed the EU bail out fund.

Really? Found a couple of billion down the back of the sofa did they.

 

[Beefy]

Actually,you're a little behind the times.They've already paid back what they owed the EU bail out fund.

That isn't really true (as the big chunk of extra tax which continues to come out of my pay packet every month would testify to).

There's currently a plan to repay the bulk of the IMF portion of the loan but the majority of the bailout that Ireland received came from the EU.

Its more of a refinancing that a repayment anyway. They just worked out that it'll be cheaper to borrow from the markets than it will be from the IMF - who charge 5% interest.

Ireland won't have paid back all of what it borrowed until 2033.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Really? Found a couple of billion down the back of the sofa did they.

And a bit from people like me who visited in the summer.It's not cheap.