Post-Match Thread and Ratings Ebbsfleet 0-4 Southend United

[Bratislava Blue]

But the idea that it was the wrong tactics, that KAF was ready to start earlier, that Noor and Bridge shouldn’t have been picked etc is ultimately all opinion and not fact.

This is exactly my point. Those are opinions held by me. So why was and a well known fact about "The ghost of Ron Martin" being used to used to justify an difference of opinion that I held.? Why should this be used all the time when it detracts away from what should be a healthy discussion on why things have not always worked out in our favour this season.
Let's be honest, it's too easy to blame one factor when there are others that need to be considered.

 

[GBJ]

Let's be honest, it's too easy to blame one factor when there are others that need to be considered.

And this is the middle ground that both sides of the Maher debate need to arrive at.

Maher has made mistakes during his tenure. No question about it.

Ron’s legacy still haunts our short/mid-term future. It’s a demonstrable fact.

It’s too simplistic to say it’s definitively one or the other

 

[Kris]

Excuses and facts are two completely different things. Facts are known happenings, excuses are justifications that individuals have been using to support the facts.
What facts are appropriate to support the incorrect tactics that have been adopted this season? The ghost of Ron Martin?
What facts are appropriate to support the purchases of Bonne and Hopper and Mahers inability to identify and develope permanent strike force? The ghost of Ron Martin?
What facts are appropriate to support the ommission of KAF for two thirds of the season? The ghost of Ron Martin?
What facts are appropriate that would explain the inclusion of Husin and Bridge in the starting line ups at times when their form didn't justify selection.? The ghost of Ron Martin?
Finally, are you saying that Maher has not had the backing that he has needed this season? Isn't that an insult to the consortium and a large number of fans who have not jumped on his back and stayed patient. Also, who will be the judge of the budget being appropriate or not. Surely, that will be the consortium. The ones that actually saved our club from The ghost of Ron Martin?

I don’t have a problem with your opinions on Maher’s management and I even agree with you on some. The ghost of Ron Martin reference was based on him techically no longer being in charge yet continually stalling the takeover. It took a ridiculous amount of time, nearly killing the club, and as such impacting on pre-season and first-choice targets such as Ollie Pearce, who was nearly ours, but couldn’t sign because of the embargo. That’s what I meant by fact.

I’m not having a go at you personally as there are others but there seem to be a few posters who don’t believe this situation had a knock-on effect on the playing side.

I’m totally baffled by your final para though. Me apparently insulting those who are being patient and pro-Maher is way off the mark as I’m in that group! Likewise COSU have done an amazing job since the takeover and I haven’t got a bad word to say about them. The fact that they are continually tackling Ron’s debts is another reference to the ghost of Ron Martin.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Before asking me to check the stats I would suggest you do.
Here's the stats that represent his luck.
- 26 appearances when he's played 75 minutes or more.
- 60% of our fixtures.
- 10 of those fixtures resulted in 3 points
- 8 of those fixtures resulted in 0 points
- only 2 games he was an unused sub
- only 2 games he wasn't in the starting XI

So do you still believe that his performances this season in the 40 games that he has appeared in deserve the level of game time that he's been given?
He's average game time in those 40 games is 75 minutes and we've had a return of 1 goal and 4 assists.

I'd call that lucky!

Ok now run the numbers on wins this season when Bridge has played vs wins this season when he hasn’t. His performances have dropped compared to last season, yes. I even said that we should offload him this summer, as I believe it’s a position we should upgrade. Not sure who else you’d play at LWB though, that would result in the team being balanced.

 

[* ORM *]

And this is the middle ground that both sides of the Maher debate need to arrive at.

Maher has made mistakes during his tenure. No question about it.

Ron’s legacy still haunts our short/mid-term future. It’s a demonstrable fact.

It’s too simplistic to say it’s definitively one or the other

Great post. I’ve tried to ease back on some of my comments but it is not always easy.

I have no problem, with immediate post match knee jerks. It’s the pre match negativity that irks me and the repeated polarised comments which are sometimes worse than bot generated trolling.

 

[Bratislava Blue]

Ok now run the numbers on wins this season when Bridge has played vs wins this season when he hasn’t. His performances have dropped compared to last season, yes. I even said that we should offload him this summer, as I believe it’s a position we should upgrade. Not sure who else you’d play at LWB though, that would result in the team being balanced.

I think the stats that I have already provided demonstrated this.

Bridge has played in 40 games. In 26 of those he played 75+ minutes.
We won 10 of those 26. In the remaining 14 games when he played less than 75 minutes we won 2.
He's featured in 8 games where he's played 75+ minutes and which have ended in a draw.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your statement if you disagree with these numbers.
Please share your stats that prove otherwise.
His influence (75+ minutes) has returned 38 points. 60% of our current points total.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

I think the stats that I have already provided demonstrated this.

Bridge has played in 40 games. In 26 of those he played 75+ minutes.
We won 10 of those 26. In the remaining 14 games when he played less than 75 minutes we won 2.
He's featured in 8 games where he's played 75+ minutes and which have ended in a draw.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your statement if you disagree with these numbers.
Please share your stats that prove otherwise.
His influence (75+ minutes) has returned 38 points. 60% of our current points total.

Ok so despite his less than impressive form we seem to do better when he plays .. so Kev picking him is understandable. I know Bridge and Husin get a lot of stick but Kev can rely on them. They’re known quantities.

 

[Bratislava Blue]

Ok so despite his less than impressive form we seem to do better when he plays .. so Kev picking him is understandable. I know Bridge and Husin get a lot of stick but Kev can rely on them. They’re known quantities.

So you are saying that his selection should be seen as a 'lucky omen'? Team selection should be based on performance and performance alone. The 'less than impressive form' that he has showed on many occasions, even as recent as the Sutton game, where he switched off, failed to track back and mark his player and the result was 2 points dropped. His appearances have resulted in his performances becoming very frustrating. Especially when you compare them to those of last season. He set standards that he has not replicated this season. Even last season there were some frustrating ones, but his goal and assist return outweighed any negativity.
Your last sentence sums him up as a known quantity. Definitely not a quality and not someone you can reply on.
If him and Husin can be relied upon. I am curious to know on what they can be relied upon to do? Play over 30 hours of football and be involved in 5 goals! Based on last season I would expect more. I haven't even pulled Husins stats together yet. I wouldn't expect them to tell me a different story.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

So you are saying that his selection should be seen as a 'lucky omen'? Team selection should be based on performance and performance alone. The 'less than impressive form' that he has showed on many occasions, even as recent as the Sutton game, where he switched off, failed to track back and mark his player and the result was 2 points dropped. His appearances have resulted in his performances becoming very frustrating. Especially when you compare them to those of last season. He set standards that he has not replicated this season. Even last season there were some frustrating ones, but his goal and assist return outweighed any negativity.
Your last sentence sums him up as a known quantity. Definitely not a quality and not someone you can reply on.
If him and Husin can be relied upon. I am curious to know on what they can be relied upon to do? Play over 30 hours of football and be involved in 5 goals! Based on last season I would expect more. I haven't even pulled Husins stats together yet. I wouldn't expect them to tell me a different story.

Selection is maybe based on us not having a better alternative. Kev can trust Bridge and Husin to follow his instructions and if we play better as a team with their inclusion you can kind of see the logic.

100% they should be doing more. Bridge infuriates me sometimes cutting back to the right foot to cross it. His corners are generally rubbish. But he does make space for others as teams double up on him. Those teams clearly see him as a threat. Husin does a lot of work off the ball. I’d rather see him pushing forward and attacking but that doesn’t seem to be what he’s asked to do.

 

[Rob Noxious]

Selection is maybe based on us not having a better alternative. Kev can trust Bridge and Husin to follow his instructions and if we play better as a team with their inclusion you can kind of see the logic.

100% they should be doing more. Bridge infuriates me sometimes cutting back to the right foot to cross it. His corners are generally rubbish. But he does make space for others as teams double up on him. Those teams clearly see him as a threat. Husin does a lot of work off the ball. I’d rather see him pushing forward and attacking but that doesn’t seem to be what he’s asked to do.

I suspect that will change when Cav comes back in.