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[Member]

Fundamentally missing my point.
BBC and Sky in particular seem to take great satisfaction in plastering statistics about Covid deaths (although they don't seem to understand the difference between deaths FROM Covid and deaths WITH Covid). Be that as it may, they also reel off the so-called Excess deaths over and above a five year average. This excess deaths will include a significant proportion of deaths from cancers and heart attacks indirectly attributed to lack of attention given by the NHS to these conditions since March.
That is also why I find your sentence "we can plan for them" puzzling. We absolutely can't.

While you’re correct that excess deaths will include a number that aren’t due to COVID but due to the consequences of lockdown and the impact on the NHS, the vast majority of the excess mortality is explained by COVID, as shown in the graphs posted before and below. Also the excess mortality is still high even though deaths from motor vehicle accidents have gone down significantly

 

[Holy Joe]

i am still waiting each evening for the news to provide daily death figures for cancers, heart attacks, strokes, dementia and road deaths.

None of those are contagious - but I'm sure the numbers are availble, albeit not daily, if you look for them.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

All of a sudden people are experts on death rates in the UK and have become scientist. All I know 500+ people are dying from this every day in the UK and that's enough for me, to take it serious.

Well this is from an official source. Death rates in the uk this year compared to the last 7 years. So what type of deaths haven't happened to make deaths in the uk on a level par with the last 7 years?

The Covid death rate is nowhere near as high as the government say. So may deaths by natural causes, heart attacks, car accidents etc have gone down as attributed to Covid when Covid wasn't the cause. People need to wake up and check all the facts for themselves

 

[Stuart W]

None of those are contagious - but I'm sure the numbers are availble, albeit not daily, if you look for them.

Just because they are not contagious doesn't mean they are not a concern to us all. Cancer can strike anyone and mortality rates are correlated to, amongst other things, length of wait for treatment.
Surely if people really are keen to see the stats on Covid-19 above everything else, then at least show meaningful data, such as:-
Mortality trends since March by age-band.
Mortality showing co-morbidity factors.
Breakdown of cases data by ensuing illness severity, asymptomatic cases etc
Mortality rates, (mortality number divided by positive cases)

Admittedly a lot of information but the media go too far the other way by drawing big conclusions from very limited data.

 

[crangoner]

Well this is from an official source.

Did you do the research yourself or just took this screenshot of a dubious Facebook post at face value? Hope you've not only paid attention to it because it's telling you what you want to hear.

 

[blueblueblue]

None of those are contagious - but I'm sure the numbers are availble, albeit not daily, if you look for them.

Thanks professer.

 

[Holy Joe]

Thanks professer.

Thank you for your valuable contribution

 

[Holy Joe]

Well this is from an official source. Death rates in the uk this year compared to the last 7 years. So what type of deaths haven't happened to make deaths in the uk on a level par with the last 7 years?

The Covid death rate is nowhere near as high as the government say. So may deaths by natural causes, heart attacks, car accidents etc have gone down as attributed to Covid when Covid wasn't the cause. People need to wake up and check all the facts for themselvesView attachment 13752

For 2020, ONS data is now on week 49 - England and Wales is 566,371 deaths. The past 4 weeks have each seen over 12k deaths, so we'll be close to 600k for 2020 if that trend continues. Not sure what point the screenshot is trying to make???

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Did you do the research yourself or just took this screenshot of a dubious Facebook post at face value? Hope you've not only paid attention to it because it's telling you what you want to hear.

A friend of mine did the research. There is a lot of information out there to be found.
We were told that under no circumstances would there be any sort of vaccine passport:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-55143484
A bit of digging says otherwise. Found this on the government website so 100% legitimate

 

[Ricey]

This thread has gone way off piste and the usual suspects can’t play nicely.

Closed!

 

[Lord Football]

Fundamentally missing my point.
BBC and Sky in particular seem to take great satisfaction in plastering statistics about Covid deaths (although they don't seem to understand the difference between deaths FROM Covid and deaths WITH Covid). Be that as it may, they also reel off the so-called Excess deaths over and above a five year average. This excess deaths will include a significant proportion of deaths from cancers and heart attacks indirectly attributed to lack of attention given by the NHS to these conditions since March.
That is also why I find your sentence "we can plan for them" puzzling. We absolutely can't.

What I mean is that we know that a certain number of people will die of cancer, etc etc etc and the NHS is set up to handle them. Hence, planned for. (notwithstanding any arguments about under funding etc).

The NHS is not set up for COVID, hence. Unplanned.

'Appy to clarify.