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Breaking News Ricky Duncan has left SUFC

No thanks for Ricky? Whatever has gone on has but he has had success and should of been thanked
Think this is poor form from the club. Regardless of his role in the summer recruitment balls up, he has been very successful producing players & profits for the club in his role of Academy manager over a long time.
He deserved more than this.
 
Think this is poor form from the club. Regardless of his role in the summer recruitment balls up, he has been very successful producing players & profits for the club in his role of Academy manager over a long time.
He deserved more than this.

Could it be than an official statement regarding RD will follow - though it probably should have come out first!
 
So the person responsible for Southend player development had a financial gain to sell the players on? Isn’t that know as a conflict of interest, especially if it’s before they reached the first time.
That assumes that the person in question sets the price and terms of any sale, and is then solely in control of the decision to sell which is almost certainly not the case, which means it’s just a sensible incentive to develop good players that either contribute to the team or the future funding of the club.

Can’t see any conflict of interest here beyond a performance-based contract and a rewarded motivation to improve players.
 
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Only if it’s wrong
Incorrect.

The way libel and defamation works is if a statement is defamatory then there is a burden on the one making the statement to prove it is true.

And what you have heard from a mate down the pub won’t cut it as evidence. So unless you have documentary evidence I’d be very wary of throwing around any allegations, regardless of whether those allegations are justified.

So the person responsible for Southend player development had a financial gain to sell the players on? Isn’t that know as a conflict of interest, especially if it’s before they reached the first time.

Can you please explain why this is a conflict of interest?

Is it not in both the club and the person responsible for player development’s best interests to achieve the highest price?

If a player would earn more in 5 years’ time, would it not be in the individual responsible for player development’s best interest to wait 5 years to maximise their payment?
 
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Incorrect.

The way libel and defamation works is if a statement is defamatory then there is a burden on the one making the statement to prove it is true.

And what you have heard from a mate down the pub won’t cut it as evidence. So unless you have documentary evidence I’d be very wary of throwing around any allegations, regardless of whether those allegations are justified.



Can you please explain why this is a conflict of interest?

Is it not in both the club and the person responsible for player development’s best interests to achieve the highest price?

If a player would earn more in 5 years’ time, would it not be on the individual responsible for player development’s best interest to wait 5 years to maximise their payment?
My understanding of conflict of interest if it’s in your interest to do something vs the interest of the owner. Any player potential is not guaranteed so can be ignored. But others can correct me, I was asking how if you benefit from action a over the benefit for the club how it’s not a conflict of interest and the legal department not add xyz based on the comment
 
My understanding of conflict of interest if it’s in your interest to do something vs the interest of the owner. Any player potential is not guaranteed so can be ignored. But others can correct me, I was asking how if you benefit from action a over the benefit for the club how it’s not a conflict of interest and the legal department not add xyz based on the comment
If both the club and individual responsible benefit how is it a conflict? Their interests are aligned aren’t they? In what circumstances are their benefits not aligned?
 
I think some are perhaps exaggerating Duncan’s influence over a number of factors in transfer negotiations and general player movement to reach a conclusion that suits a narrative and betrays the fact that similar arrangements aren’t that uncommon, especially at levels of seniority/experience/reputation of Duncan.

Irrespective of any need for change or a desire from the “new regime” to clean house, it’s an entirely regretful statement from the club. No thanks, no best wishes… and there’s me thinking that respect was going to be a core value of the club moving forward.
 
Interesting comments on this post some complementary and others clearly not.I dont know RD but can only comment that he appeared to do a good job in his academy role.However if the new team headed by Tom consider it's best he leaves then so be it.We look forward to new blood and new ideas coming into the club and thanks to RD for his services,we move on
 
If I was in the know, the last thing I would do is PM about 5 or 6 people asking for the info. It would be common knowledge in minutes.

I echo many on here who think that whatever has recently happened, Ricky Duncan was a good servant to the club, our academy has been punching above its weight for many years and it sounds like a new broom is needed and that is fine.
 
If aligned there is no conflict on of interest
So when wouldn’t they be?

The main example I can think of would be if one party was suffering cash flow issues and so wanted to sell early and I’ve heard grumblings about players being sold before they reached the first team - but it would seem to me that Ron would be the more likely party to be pushing for an early sale…
 
Whatever the merits or otherwise of RD and setting aside the gossip, the fact is that once again SUFC shows how completely maladroit it is as a club when making announcements. With every other club you can think of, there would have been some admittedly banal statement thanking him for past services and wishing him all the best for the future. Instead, an ungracious and ill worded throwaway line at the end of the Academy announcement which reflects badly on the .person who wrote it and indeed whoever authorised it.
 
Whatever the merits or otherwise of RD and setting aside the gossip, the fact is that once again SUFC shows how completely maladroit it is as a club when making announcements. With every other club you can think of, there would have been some admittedly banal statement thanking him for past services and wishing him all the best for the future. Instead, an ungracious and ill worded throwaway line at the end of the Academy announcement which reflects badly on the .person who wrote it and indeed whoever authorised it.
Maladroit and banal? How dare you cum on shrimperzone with all yer heducation stuff!
 
Personally, as someone that remembers the position the Academy was in when Ricky Duncan returned in 2005 I feel this is a very sad day for the football club. We will have done very well if we find someone to fill the void who goes on to achieve half of what Ricky has done.

When Ricky arrived, he immediately showed his strength in recruitment, building practically an entire U18 squad and bringing in many more in the younger age groups, such was his reputation and standing in Academy football following his time with Cambridge United.

He also identified that it would be a good idea to involve supporters; as @TITSUP has already mentioned, the Shrimpers Trust were brought on board with his vision from the very beginning, and it’s a relationship that has continued to the end of his reign.

There was fundraising for players’ digs, for the highly-successful European tour programme, giving our youngsters the opportunity to pit their ability against the very best on the continent, for transport, for gym and physio eqiupment, and also through annual donations for shirt sponsorship.

It’s one of the things Trust members recognise as being important, but Ricky saw that it was beneficial for supporters to feel like they were part of the players’ journeys. Home-developed players get more time from fans, and we’ve had over 50 of them taste first-team football in the last 16-and-a-half years. In fact, at times it’s been just as well we’ve had such a successful Academy as we wouldn’t’ve been able to field a team at all without one.

On the pitch, the club went from a team that were regularly beaten heavily by local foes such as Colchester United and Cambridge to one that was good enough to win a league title ahead of clubs such as Brighton & Hove Albion, Millwall and QPR, as well as reaching the last 16 of The FA Youth Cup twice.

Ricky saw that there were three targets for any player in an Academy system. The best scenario for the club and player was that they went on to feature regularly for the first team at Roots Hall, a model that saw Franck Moussa, Kane Ferdinand, Dan Bentley, Jack Payne, Jack Bridge, Dru Yearwood, Nathan Bishop, Ted Smith and others flourish.

Another scenario was that the club and player benefitted if there was interest from bigger clubs in our players. We gave those players a platform to perform and, if the right offer came in at the right time, we wouldn’t stand in their way. Isaac Hayden, Stephy Mavdidi, Finley Burns, George Murray-Jones, Cameron John, Joseph Joseph, Jordan Lawrence-Gabriel, Keith Asare, Lyle Della-Verde and others are examples of this.

And thirdly, it was always highly likely that a number of players wouldn’t end up making it at professional level, so there was a focus on preparing those players for a career in non-league football (such as Nathan McDonald, Jamie Forshaw, David Cowley) or elsewhere, integrating them into the club in other positions (e.g. Ross Johnson, Dan King, Charlie Barlow).

It isn’t just players that have been developed at the Academy; look at how coaches such as Luke Hobbs and Terry Mason (Arsenal), David Johnson (West Ham United and Tottenham Hotspur), Mark Bonner (Cambridge United) and Dave Huzzey have gone on to flourish in the game after spending time at Boots & Laces.

That is all testament to the environment created at Boots & Laces. We’ve regularly ranked in the top 5 Category Three Academies for player development and in other measures. Our facilities, largely, are the reason we’ve not been able to apply for Cat Two status and it’s sad that Ricky won’t see that come to fruition with us should Fossetts Farm and the associated developments get the go-ahead and we ever regain our EFL status.

These are tough shoes to fill for whoever comes in. The many excellent full- and part-time staff at the Academy of course have played their part in its success, but Ricky Duncan is the man who pulled all their efforts together. I believe he will be missed.
 
I dont doubt that RD was on a lucrative performance related incentive in the same way that Rhys Murphy will be on a decent goal scoring bonus ( Jeez he could + should have been filthy rich so far this season ) .... i dont know the exact ins + outs of his financial gains but business is business , this sort of thing goes on ALL THE TIME. Whether its right or wrong , it happens in almost every industry. Life goes on.

What i do know is that he had excellent contacts with Arsenal + Spurs in particular over the years , so it will be interesting if the club have now burnt their bridges with these clubs in regards to us getting their best cast offs who would have possibly become our next superkids.

I have chatted with a few local kids who Blues discarded over the years because RD signed someone from one of the big North London clubs instead , so whether they were actually better players or not is open to debate.

However, after being employed for so many years + without doubt being instrumental in our club capturing many many decent kids we would certainly not have done without Duncan , i do feel the club should have at least thanked him for his service + wish him all the best. Courtesy costs nothing after all.
 

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