Breaking News St Johns Ambulance Ends Agreement Over Debt

[RHB]

Dear me. Talk about taking aim at the wrong target.....

He was singing for his supper at the same time as he posted though.

 

[tommy tucker]

Dear me. Talk about taking aim at the wrong target.....

IMnot taking tragets at anyone .Un lkie some on hear .Ive said it before and i will say it again .Ilike you cant chandge the whats going to happen at any time soon we will all find out by the end of the month wont we .

 

[OldWilliam]

Our £5m bridging loan will cover the summer

Our £5m bridging loan (if we get one) might cover the HMRC arrears and the monthly repayments for the bridging loan. Absolute madness

 

[Stuart W]

I think you'll find that they are already owed substantial amounts of money, and have been for years. Ron has taken the **** out of them because he knows they won't call in their loans because the club will fold.

Why on earth should they give him any more? Especially as Ron keeps them in the dark almost to the same extent as he does us?

It is not giving him money to pay off the tax, it is paying for the day to day running of the club in order for it to function. Good god man, if I could afford to, I would be more than happy to pay the tea-lady, reception staff, medical support etc etc.
If I had a net worth as much as Van Wezel has, I wouldn’t think twice about helping the staff out, whatever my grievances with the owner.
I take it you are familiar with the expression “cutting off your nose to spite your face?”

 

[overseas shrimper]

St John's only require a First Aid at work qualification

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Same qualification I have as a first aider at my work. I presumed they were off duty paramedics who volunteered under the guise of St John's.

Are they the only charity that provides this service. Does the British Red Cross do something similar? We have a hospital not 1 or 2 miles away. Perhaps cover from a nurse or doctor who have finished their shift or just before they start.

Are they required to allow us to put on a game of football? Can we run a match without their cover or with volunteers with the same qualification. Would be a good idea if the stewards also had this qualification. Bit of a shame we haven't paid them though and they have withdrawn their services

Yeah, a doctor or nurse from the hospital would love to add to their 60 hr week, I'm sure.

 

[Target man]

St John's only require a First Aid at work qualification

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Same qualification I have as a first aider at my work. I presumed they were off duty paramedics who volunteered under the guise of St John's.

Are they the only charity that provides this service. Does the British Red Cross do something similar? We have a hospital not 1 or 2 miles away. Perhaps cover from a nurse or doctor who have finished their shift or just before they start.

Are they required to allow us to put on a game of football? Can we run a match without their cover or with volunteers with the same qualification. Would be a good idea if the stewards also had this qualification. Bit of a shame we haven't paid them though and they have withdrawn their services

It's not that simple.

You'll find nurses/doctors/ODPs (like me) attend games regularly, but are only covered by their indemnity to practice in their contracted area, not an organised event such as a football match. Only can they assist in the case of a life threatening situation such as a cardiac arrest. All other.... not legally covered.

 

[tommy tucker]

Our £5m bridging loan will cover the summer

PUTit in a nut shell if we get past march the 1st .The new training ground should be up and running Boot n laces will be demolished to make way for the new stadium .And as far i have read funds will be released which should aid the futcher of the club .

 

[Cricko]

Something does not add up here. Putting aside the HMRC tax bill and sundry other large debts which presumably make up the £5 million required and hopefully received via a bridging loan, surely the day to day running costs can be funded by the board of directors?
I have made this point before, RM is the major shareholder, he owns the club and consequently earns all the flak that comes his way. BUT, what about Van Wezel, Markscheffel and Lockett? Surely things like paying for the St Johns Ambulance would be loose change, at least to the first two, given their business fortunes?
Otherwise what precisely is their function on the board?

I think we have a right to know, particularly those of us who are shareholders, albeit at a much smaller level.

Because they get such a say in the way the club is run when it is owned by a dictator... I know for a fact that they have all loaned money in the past. Where do you draw the line.

 

[Supershrimper]

It's not that simple.

You'll find nurses/doctors/ODPs (like me) attend games regularly, but are only covered by their indemnity to practice in their contracted area, not an organised event such as a football match. Only can they assist in the case of a life threatening situation such as a cardiac arrest. All other.... not legally covered.

Ah didn't realise that about the indemnity and makes sense I guess.

Could still be cheaper to get a few stewards trained up for the required First Aid at Work qualification when it lasts for 3 years and they then become the first aiders, each responsible for their own section within the stands.

We are non-league now and must start cutting our cloth accordingly. I don't remember seeing St Johns (or a visible presence of a first aider) at recent away matches to Maidenhead, Bromley, Aldershot etc

 

[Stuart W]

Because they get such a say in the way the club is run when it is owned by a dictator... I know for a fact that they have all loaned money in the past. Where do you draw the line.

Point. Missed. Again.

 

[Pak66]

Ah didn't realise that about the indemnity and makes sense I guess.

Could still be cheaper to get a few stewards trained up for the required First Aid at Work qualification when it lasts for 3 years and they then become the first aiders, each responsible for their own section within the stands.

We are non-league now and must start cutting our cloth accordingly. I don't remember seeing St Johns (or a visible presence of a first aider) at recent away matches to Maidenhead, Bromley, Aldershot etc

Read the National league rules and your first aider question at the listed clubs is there

 

[Target man]

Yeah, a doctor or nurse from the hospital would love to add to their 60 hr week, I'm sure.

That's 60 hours plus additional on calls currently.....

Ah didn't realise that about the indemnity and makes sense I guess.

Could still be cheaper to get a few stewards trained up for the required First Aid at Work qualification when it lasts for 3 years and they then become the first aiders, each responsible for their own section within the stands.

We are non-league now and must start cutting our cloth accordingly. I don't remember seeing St Johns (or a visible presence of a first aider) at recent away matches to Maidenhead, Bromley, Aldershot etc

Again not sure that's the answer.

I used to be the deputy VIP supervisor at Wembley Stadium many years back and there was strict safety requirements on staffing football matches. You can't really have stewards (for which we run on minimal levels anyway) dual rolling. For example, if you take a steward out to fix a bandage in the first aid room, and an unexpected event took place such as a fire, etc, then you don't have enough personnel to safely facilitate crowd control.


Another point being, if you are giving first aid, like anything, you need the regular practice. Individual stewards would not be consistent enough in delivering safe care quality which could result in club law suits down the line.

And not to be disrespectful, but with first aid comes CPR. A lot of our stewards (not all) are of an age where delivering this adequately would be difficult, as it's extremely physical.

Short of it is, we need medical services solely focusing on delivering medical services.

 

[Holy Joe]

Short answer of why you can’t do that is insurance, many people’s qualifications are via work and their employees will cover them if administering aid goes wrong. They would need alternative cover to do so in a stadium setting which is why organizations like St John’s cover events

Ah yes good point that might exclude volunteers - guess it depends on the policy the club has.

Do you think 'paid' employees of the club would be excluded as well, eg stewards?

 

[tommy tucker]

Point. Missed. Again.

Maybe but there is allways someone out there who will lend people money regardless of there previous history .Beleve me i know that for a fact .The only time loans cant be obtained is if you are declared bankrupt . Nieither Ron or the club has i beleve .

 

[Callum]

Can this get any worse I’m guessing not

 

[rigsby]

It's not that simple.

You'll find nurses/doctors/ODPs (like me) attend games regularly, but are only covered by their indemnity to practice in their contracted area, not an organised event such as a football match. Only can they assist in the case of a life threatening situation such as a cardiac arrest. All other.... not legally covered.

Thats because doctors don't like doing first aid. Not saying it should be well meaning people pulled from the crowd when comes to professional football but anyone can use their first aid skills and not just for life threatening stuff.

 

[Supershrimper]

Another point being, if you are giving first aid, like anything, you need the regular practice. Individual stewards would not be consistent enough in delivering safe care quality which could result in club law suits down the line.

And not to be disrespectful, but with first aid comes CPR. A lot of our stewards (not all) are of an age where delivering this adequately would be difficult, as it's extremely physical.

Short of it is, we need medical services solely focusing on delivering medical services.

Some of the current crop of St Johns are hardly in the best physical shape themselves.

 

[DCC]

Yeah, I think the figure is around 26k, if I remember rightly.

St. John’s charge around £1k per game I think.

So we haven’t paid them for a whole season?! Amazing that they’ve stuck it out to now really.

 

[Colchester and proud!]

Like one of the biggest developments in the boroughs history?

The cycle is about to be broken, just a shame we got to breaking point just before it happens.

Yes exactly that but RM needs to bring in other investment to complete the job and how many out there will trust him with their millions. Maybe he needs to book a slot on Dragons Den, that would be an interesting pitch (Pun intended)

 

[annie1954]

Not necessarily true annie. If the club allow supporters to buy via credit card then you have redress to the card company if the club collapses. The big question is will the Club ask for cash or bank transfer only again.

Have to wait and see it was cash only to start with last season but things were not as bad as they are now