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The FINAL - Doug Bader v Horatio Nelson

Group Captain Sir Douglas Bader (SARF) v Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson (canveyshrimper)


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Napster

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SARF - Group Captain Sir Douglas Robert Steuart Bader CBE, DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar

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canveyshrimper - Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronté, KB
 
Dont know what to say here.. Everyone has the relavant facts by now.. Im gonna struggle to vote against Nelson myself... I mean he has a whole square built in his honour and a wrestling hold named after him.... on the other hand, Kenneth Moore did play Douggie Bader in 'Reach for the sky', is there any higher honour..? and also Douggies namesake plys his trade at Southend now,,, of course Baders legs were in better nick..
 
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Firstly thanks to Napster for his work on running this battle so well, and Dave Smiths Love Child representing Henry VIII so well in the semi.

SARF has done brilliantly to get Douglas Bader to the final, and this I am sure will be a keen contest.

I'll kick of with a few pictures.

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And while we are at it, let's all petition the government for Trafalgar Day to be celebrated as a Bank Holiday. Hopefully that will **** of the French & Spanish.

Vote Nelson.
 
Too close to call. Might have to abstain.
 
Nelson all the way for me ..I don't think Bader has a leg to stand on in this vote.
 
A couple of Baderisms to be going on with..
Bearing in mind he was only 21 when he lost his legs in the plane crash ...
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‘Crashed slow-rolling near ground,’ he wrote in his log book. ‘Bad show.’
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This stoic response from a 21 yr old who at the time was close to call up for England at Rugby and Cricket...
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These injuries forged the kind of personality that blighty required during the war his attitude summed up in these words..
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Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't do this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind, you'll never use crutches or a stick, then have a go at everything. Go to school, join in all the games you can. Go anywhere you want to. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible.”
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When asked about the accident in later life replied.. 'Just made a b***s of it, old boy. That's all there is to it.'...
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Nelson and Trafalgar

This great deciding naval battle of the Napoleonic Wars took place between 27 British ships under Admiral Nelson and 33 French and Spanish vessels under Admiral Villeneuve.

Needing to clear the British from the English Channel to allow an invasion of his implaccable national enemy, Napoleon Bonaparte wanted his navy to escape the British blockade, draw it away from Europe to the West Indies and then, after joining up with the Spanish, returning to hold the narrow stretch of water long enough to allow the crossing of his army.

Surprisingly, Villeneuve did manage to slip through the blockade and a rare error by Nelson gave the French more than a week's head start. By the time he reached the West Indies the combined enemy fleet had begun returning towards Europe and safe harbour in Cadiz.

Determined to bottle up and destroy his foe, Nelson and his fleet prowled waiting for an opportunity and that came faster than expected.

Bonaparte, believing there was only a small blockading force outside Cadiz, ordered Villeneuve from port and into the Mediterranean.

To his horror, the French admiral found himself caught between Nelson's fleet and cut off from safety by the blockading squadron.

On 21 October, Nelson sighted his prey and gave the order "England expects that every man will do his duty."

After outlining a radical plan of attack to his captains, Nelson ordered the British fleet to head in two lines towards the in-line French and Spanish.

This would open up his vessels to enemy broadsides, but would split their formidable line, reduce the odds and then allow the better-trained British sailors to use their superior gunnery and sailing skills to destroy at close range.

The plan worked brilliantly and with the French vanguard cut out of the battle by the British slicing through the fleet, Nelson's men proceeded to take the enemy fleet apart.

Britain did not lose a ship, while 18 enemy vessels were destroyed. Some 14,000 French and Spanish sailors were lost, ten times the British casualties.

However, the most notable death at Trafalgar was Nelson who was shot by a sharpshooter as the Victory passed by the Redoubtable.

Mortally wounded, he died several hours later, but was safe in the knowledge he had won a massive victory.

Some thought must be given to his captured opponent Villeneuve who had been driven into Nelson's sights by Bonaparte's orders.

On his return to France, the humiliated Villeneuve killed himself with a dagger, unable to put up with the shame of defeat.

Trafalgar ended any chance France had of invading Britain and, from 1805 onwards, Bonaparte largely kept his military operations to terra firma.

In beteen kick the arses of the French & Spanish he also found time to dally with society beauty Lady Emma Hamilton.

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and finally... After capture Bader typically refused to 'see out' the rest of the war.. in hospital as soon as his replacement leg turned up he was off like a shot.. Despite the pain he made it to a farmhouse before being captured, and was packed off to a prison camp (his arrival famously depicted in the film 'Reach for the Sky' when he inspected the German guards).... escape attempt after escape attempt followed and motivating others to do the same.. He was convinced that if he couldnt fight the Hun then he would tie up as many soldiers as he could guarding prisoners.. Finally the Germans had had enough and he was sent to Colditz.. He remained committed to getting out and having one more crack at Jerry, such was his persistance that finally the guards resorted to removing his legs at night.. Eventually he was liberated by the Americans, and in typical fashion made his way to Paris as fast as possible in an attempt to get back in a plane before the war ended.. He was too late, the war ended shortly after..
The Civilian RAF was no place for Bader and he went back to Civvy street..
After the war Bader was a regular visitor to Veterans hospitals, encouraging those who had been Crippled in the war to not give up ,and of course, always reach for the sky...
 
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