Where is Pettifer?

[RPG]

I am surprissed that Pets has not been in the squad recently especialy as he ws ever present last season.
IMO it would make sence in using him, especialy for certain away matches as he is a better defensivly than JCR / Gower and Cole.
Is he injured?

 

[Napster]

didn't he used to present Busman's Holiday?

 

[Shrimper James]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 29 2005,13:46)]I am surprissed that Pets has not been in the squad recently especialy as he ws ever present last season.
IMO it would make sence in using him, especialy for certain  away matches as he is a better defensivly than JCR / Gower and Cole.
Is he injured?

Sorry, who is Pettifer???

 

[DTS]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 29 2005,13:46)]I am surprissed that Pets has not been in the squad recently especialy as he ws ever present last season.
IMO it would make sence in using him, especialy for certain  away matches as he is a better defensivly than JCR / Gower and Cole.
Is he injured?

I think he just isnt effective enough to warrant a game. Done well last season without really excelling.

To small to play centre midfield and too awkward to play wide is my personal opinion. Good engine but that will only get you so far.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Nov. 29 2005,13:56)]To small to play centre midfield

yeah, so's Smith and Guttridge!

 

[DTS]

Should have phrased that "too small and too crap"

 

[RPG]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper James @ Nov. 29 2005,13:54)]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 29 2005,13:46)]I am surprissed that Pets has not been in the squad recently especialy as he ws ever present last season.
IMO it would make sence in using him, especialy for certain  away matches as he is a better defensivly than JCR / Gower and Cole.
Is he injured?

Sorry, who is Pettifer???

PETTEFER sorry my spelling is ssh!tt.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Nov. 29 2005,13:59)]Should have phrased that "too small and too crap"

<makes reversing sound>

 

[EastStandBlue]

Too negative to play on the wing... Runs forward with the ball until someone confronts him, then he acts like a rabbit caugh in headlights, turns around and passes the ball backwards into our own half...

And i'd choose Smith and Bentley over Pettefer to replace Maher to partner Guttridge in midfield at the moment...

 

[BoyWonder2]

Quote[/b] (EastStandBlue @ Nov. 29 2005,14:30)]Too negative to play on the wing... Runs forward with the ball until someone confronts him, then he acts like a rabbit caugh in headlights, turns around and passes the ball backwards into our own half...

And i'd choose Smith and Bentley over Pettefer to replace Maher to partner Guttridge in midfield at the moment...

I always used to think that but last night I watched our season review of last season. Pettefer was a crucial part of our season, more than proved by the fact he was the only ever present and was rarely subsituted. Watching it last night I noticed two things:

1) Pettefer was involved in a number of our goals, either with the final ball or by being involved in the build up play.

2) He quite often went round his man and had a good understanding with Juppy, and then Hunt when he came into the side.

Perhaps, seeing as this weekend its the FA Cup, we may try something a little different, perhaps Petts could get a recall to the side along with Smith and Lawson. Thoughts?

 

[Jai]

Interesting how peoples opinions on Pettefer have swung from clear fans favourite when he was on loan (didn't they bring out a table for him to sign permanently when he had a broken leg) to a player who apparently is crap, when basically the only change is he has been an ever-present in a promotion winning side.

The Carl Pettefer I have been watching rarely gives the ball away, doesn't overplay, uses the ball efficiently, and tackles back fiercely without being reckless. Also, those who doubt his ability to go forward and create should watch the 04/05 DVD. It shocked me how many goals he set up last year with his crossing.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Quote[/b] (Jai @ Nov. 29 2005,14:38)]Interesting how peoples opinions on Pettefer have swung from clear fans favourite when he was on loan (didn't they bring out a table for him to sign permanently when he had a broken leg) to a player who apparently is crap, when basically the only change is he has been an ever-present in a promotion winning side.

The Carl Pettefer I have been watching rarely gives the ball away, doesn't overplay, uses the ball efficiently, and tackles back fiercely without being reckless. Also, those who doubt his ability to go forward and create should watch the 04/05 DVD. It shocked me how many goals he set up last year with his crossing.

Snap!

Its amazing how, after watching the DVD, you notice things differently to how you remember them. For example, I always remembered Hunt as an awful centre midfielder but an extremely handy right back, but watching it back last night, he was an extremely handy right back, and a decent enough central midfielder, who used the ball well.

 

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Jai @ Nov. 29 2005,14:38)]Interesting how peoples opinions on Pettefer have swung from clear fans favourite when he was on loan (didn't they bring out a table for him to sign permanently when he had a broken leg) to a player who apparently is crap, when basically the only change is he has been an ever-present in a promotion winning side.

The Carl Pettefer I have been watching rarely gives the ball away, doesn't overplay, uses the ball efficiently, and tackles back fiercely without being reckless. Also, those who doubt his ability to go forward and create should watch the 04/05 DVD. It shocked me how many goals he set up last year with his crossing.

Yep, I came to the same conclusion after watching last season's DVD.

I'd also say that we wouldn't have conceded Barnsley's equaliser or Port Vale's second if Petts had been in the side ahead of JCR.

JCR is currently looking like Tilly's first bad buy (although I hope I'm wrong) - no end product going forward, makes mistakes/goes missing defensively and flits all over the pitch leaving gaps elsewhere.

The improvement after JCR was taken off on Saturday was astounding. We finally had some width down the right which led to a few chances.

 

[DTS]

Quote[/b] (Upminster Blue @ Nov. 29 2005,16:56)]JCR is currently looking like Tilly's first bad buy (although I hope I'm wrong) - no end product going forward, makes mistakes/goes missing defensively and flits all over the pitch leaving gaps elsewhere.  

Totally disagree.

I think JCR has been superb - Energy to burn, fast and with purpose, excellent crossing and a nice line in own goals.

Not sure he was shown himself to be a £140k player yet but still a good addition in my eyes

 

[Perth Bambi]

I know that JCR is on loan and we are meant to be signing him in January but surely thats not a done deal, from any of the three sides (us JCR or Rotherham).
Correct me if i'm wrong but if Tilly is not impressed enough with JCR he doesn't have to buy him in January?

 

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Nov. 29 2005,18:00)]I think JCR has been superb - Energy to burn, fast and with purpose, excellent crossing and a nice line in own goals.

I forgot about the og. Another minus for JCR

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At best the jury is out on JCR.

 

[Napster]

Considering we've bought so many loan players who turn out to be donkeys when they sign permanently, maybe it's a mixed blessing the jury's still out

 

[Thenewblue]

At a time when we're struggling to create, I doubt pettefer would be the answer to our current little conundrum we find ourselves in.

 

[basildon blue]

i take it boywonder was p%&sed when watching his dvd,pets creating chances,attacking football dont make me laugh.stick to the blue ones mate

 

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (basildon blue @ Dec. 01 2005,16:55)]i take it boywonder was p%&sed when watching his dvd,pets creating chances,attacking football dont make me laugh.stick to the blue ones mate

Have a look at the DVD - you might surprise yourself.

When you've watched the DVD, free to come on here and admit the error of your ways

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