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Scottish Independence

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Scottish independence - Yes or No?

  • Total voters
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Beefy said:
That isn't really true (as the big chunk of extra tax which continues to come out of my pay packet every month would testify to).

There's currently a plan to repay the bulk of the IMF portion of the loan but the majority of the bailout that Ireland received came from the EU.

Its more of a refinancing that a repayment anyway. They just worked out that it'll be cheaper to borrow from the markets than it will be from the IMF - who charge 5% interest.

Ireland won't have paid back all of what it borrowed until 2033.
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But, according to the FT, they're the "big winners" from the EU bail-out fund.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/fbc2849c-c423-11e1-850c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3DOsfxQzu
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
Would have liked to take a trip up to Belfast as well to pay my respects to Van (but the wife had to get back for a family do).Some other time maybe.

Meanwhile, a trip next year to an independent Edinburgh and Glasgow would be nice.:smile:

Not been that way for a while.
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So not going to admit to making a completely false and misleading statement then. True to form.
 
Uncle Leo said:
Gah. Use of the word 'Eire' is a pet hate of mine. You wouldn't have written España/Sverige/Hellas/etc if it had been another country would you?
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"Éire is simply the name for Ireland in the Irish language, and sometimes used in English."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éire

Always liked the sound of it.Dunno why.

You're right about your question though.I've always preferred Catalonia to Cataluña etc
 
Uncle Leo. Question. Betfair have paid out on a No vote already. Is this wise. Will it put the kibbosh on the whole thing. I see Dundee City is favourite for the most percentage of yeses. My sister in law is doing her nut but posting lots of No stuff on her Facebook which is interesting. The Yeses are a really nasty bunch. Don't believe a word about the "civised debate", it's verbal warfare. I think/hope the silent majority will find their voices. Still if that t wat Pat Kane and Tommy Sheridan get more TV time a No vote is a foregone conclusion. I never thought I'd say this but Gordon Brown is playing a blinder.
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
It's a fact that Eire has exited the EU's bail-out programme.


What's "false and misleading" about that?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/free...t?zid=295&ah=0bca374e65f2354d553956ea65f756e0
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It is completely misleading. You said that Ireland had paid back what it owed. It hasn't. Leaving the bailout programme just means that control of economic policy was being returned to the Irish Government.

You have heard part of a story, misunderstood it and then interjected your misunderstanding into this thread to try to look clever.

The story I think you had heard was that the IMF portion of the loan has been paid back early (thanks to Ireland borrowing the money from the markets). The EU loan isn't due to even start to be repaid for another couple of years and won't be repaid for almost 20 years.
 
Beefy said:
It is completely misleading. You said that Ireland had paid back what it owed. It hasn't. Leaving the bailout programme just means that control of economic policy was being returned to the Irish Government.

You have heard part of a story, misunderstood it and then interjected your misunderstanding into this thread to try to look clever.

The story I think you had heard was that the IMF portion of the loan has been paid back early (thanks to Ireland borrowing the money from the markets). The EU loan isn't due to even start to be repaid for another couple of years and won't be repaid for almost 20 years.
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Hopefully, we can agree that Eire has exited the EU bailout programme and that the country is now responsible for its own economic affairs again.
 
C'mon you Shrimpers said:
Uncle Leo. Question. Betfair have paid out on a No vote already. Is this wise. Will it put the kibbosh on the whole thing. I see Dundee City is favourite for the most percentage of yeses. My sister in law is doing her nut but posting lots of No stuff on her Facebook which is interesting. The Yeses are a really nasty bunch. Don't believe a word about the "civised debate", it's verbal warfare. I think/hope the silent majority will find their voices. Still if that t wat Pat Kane and Tommy Sheridan get more TV time a No vote is a foregone conclusion. I never thought I'd say this but Gordon Brown is playing a blinder.
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The Betfair sportsbook may have, but the exchange hasn't. I suspect they haven't actually taken much money on the sportsbook and as such it is probably quite a good PR move - I heard about it on Five Live today, so they've got at least some publicity out of it.

Over £9m, at the time of writing, has been 'matched' on the Betfair exchange so far. In real terms, that is probably nearer £2m/£3m as people will have been trading in and out of positions, but even so it shows what a fascinating betting heat this has become.

Two latest polls, if we discount the don't knows, make it 48% YES and 52% NO.
 
Tangled up in Blue said:
"Éire is simply the name for Ireland in the Irish language, and sometimes used in English."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éire

Always liked the sound of it.Dunno why.

You're right about your question though.I've always preferred Catalonia to Cataluña etc
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Taoiseach is another one. But I probably concentrate my anger on something more important :smile:
 
Just thinking out loud, I'm no expert....

Let's say that the race looks like it's going to be fairly close, but maybe be in favour of a No. The Polls at present seem to suggest that.

Is it in the interest of the bookies to lengthen the odds of it being a yes and play on the apathetic and undecided voters? Basically trying to make sure that a No does happen.

Otherwise, I'm not sure why the polls suggest it being fairly close but the bookies are saying 4/1 for Yes - it doesn't at the moment feel like a fair gamble with the polls being tight. The only other reason being that they expect undecideds to fall into supporting the status quo.
 
Pubey said:
Just thinking out loud, I'm no expert....

Let's say that the race looks like it's going to be fairly close, but maybe be in favour of a No. The Polls at present seem to suggest that.

Is it in the interest of the bookies to lengthen the odds of it being a yes and play on the apathetic and undecided voters? Basically trying to make sure that a No does happen.

Otherwise, I'm not sure why the polls suggest it being fairly close but the bookies are saying 4/1 for Yes - it doesn't at the moment feel like a fair gamble with the polls being tight. The only other reason being that they expect undecideds to fall into supporting the status quo.
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By this stage, it is the market that is determining the odds - essentially, those odds are reflecting the state of the field books at the moment. 4/1 is probably a little bigger than it should be, but bookies will be keen to take money at those odds to level out liabilities on 'No'.

Certainly my old colleague at ladbrokes who does their political betting is REALLY hoping it isn't a narrow 'Yes' vote!
 
Uncle Leo said:
By this stage, it is the market that is determining the odds - essentially, those odds are reflecting the state of the field books at the moment. 4/1 is probably a little bigger than it should be, but bookies will be keen to take money at those odds to level out liabilities on 'No'.

Certainly my old colleague at ladbrokes who does their political betting is REALLY hoping it isn't a narrow 'Yes' vote!
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Nice one thanks.
 
I've never had anything but contempt for Milliband and have never made a secret of it but even I am pretty disgusted at the way he was harassed yesterday in Scotland.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scottish-independence-labour-calls-police-4272240

If this is the future for Scotland then let them have it. I wonder what the general feeling would have been if this had been English Nationalists. SNP= Scottish Nasty Party.
 
Genial Harry Grout said:
I've never had anything but contempt for Milliband and have never made a secret of it but even I am pretty disgusted at the way he was harassed yesterday in Scotland.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scottish-independence-labour-calls-police-4272240

If this is the future for Scotland then let them have it. I wonder what the general feeling would have been if this had been English Nationalists. SNP= Scottish Nasty Party.
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Frankly I think Labour are finished in Scotland-whether or not there's a yes vote tomorrow.
 
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