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[Another Surrey Shrimper]

You used the numbers of people attending to try and prove his speech was rousing. In that context it's completely irrelevant. Especially as we know he hasn't a clue how to make a rousing speech.

you have invested numerous posts on the UKIP thread stating that you don't like Corbyn in various ways - this is a known quality, everyone knows that - this is not news. The only recent news is that he held a rally in Liverpool and a lot of people turned up. What he said we don't know but we do know that you won't have been impressed as you don't like him. That's fair enough - every time Farage opens his mouth I know I won't like what he has to say either.

This is probably a bit boring for everyone else though.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Let's try and keep on topic please.

There's plenty of comedy material here to play with without having to bring up Corbyn/Cameron etc

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

See,according to today's Times,that the not so nice Mr Woolf also "forgot" to mention his spent conviction for drink driving.

More comedy UKIP gold.:smiles:

 

[Benfleet A1]

See,according to today's Times,that the not so nice Mr Woolf also "forgot" to mention his spent conviction for drink driving.

More comedy UKIP gold.:smiles:

I seem to remember Christine Butler forgetting her driving conviction as well and she actually became a sitting MP for Castle Point. Would that be comedy labour gold?

 

[londonblue]

you have invested numerous posts on the UKIP thread stating that you don't like Corbyn in various ways - this is a known quality, everyone knows that - this is not news. The only recent news is that he held a rally in Liverpool and a lot of people turned up. What he said we don't know but we do know that you won't have been impressed as you don't like him. That's fair enough - every time Farage opens his mouth I know I won't like what he has to say either.

This is probably a bit boring for everyone else though.

So you accept that the number of people who turned up doesn't equate to a rousing speech? It was you that used that turn of phrase. I'm merely pointing out he wouldn't know how, and would do well to take advice from someone like Neil Kinnock who was/is a fantastic orator.

As for farridge. I don't have time for people that think the way to win a debate is by shouting and not letting anyone else speak.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

So you accept that the number of people who turned up doesn't equate to a rousing speech? It was you that used that turn of phrase. I'm merely pointing out he wouldn't know how, and would do well to take advice from someone like Neil Kinnock who was/is a fantastic orator.

As for farridge. I don't have time for people that think the way to win a debate is by shouting and not letting anyone else speak.

you chasing around trying to 'win' insignificant points is uber tedious for everyone who visits this site and as stated - very much off topic. Yes we have agreed that the fact he can pull in a massive crowd to hear him speak is no guarantee that he will have anything interesting to say.

 

[londonblue]

you chasing around trying to 'win' insignificant points is uber tedious for everyone who visits this site and as stated - very much off topic. Yes we have agreed that the fact he can pull in a massive crowd to hear him speak is no guarantee that he will have anything interesting to say.

I tell you what is tedious. It's your complete inability to see that Corduroy isn't the new messiah, and believing he can do no wrong. I find your continual attempts to defend the indefensible extremely tedious. He was just as much to blame for UKIP and the Leave campaign's success, but you blame just Camerscum.

I'm sure everyone on here also finds your love in with Corduroy tedious to say the least. If you think this is off topic (which I don't) then stop responding. The only reason I can see that you do respond is to try to win insignificant points.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I seem to remember Christine Butler forgetting her driving conviction as well and she actually became a sitting MP for Castle Point. Would that be comedy labour gold?

Don't think she ever put in a (late) bid for leadeship of her party though.:smiles:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I tell you what is tedious. It's your complete inability to see that Corduroy isn't the new messiah, and believing he can do no wrong. I find your continual attempts to defend the indefensible extremely tedious. He was just as much to blame for UKIP and the Leave campaign's success, but you blame just Camerscum.

I'm sure everyone on here also finds your love in with Corduroy tedious to say the least. If you think this is off topic (which I don't) then stop responding. The only reason I can see that you do respond is to try to win insignificant points.

His name isn't Corduroy and I have never seen him as the new messiah. I don't particularly praise him just defend him against what I see as unjustified criticism. So I:


Stated that he is anti racist every time it is implied this is not the case.


Stated that he is generating large support at well attended political gatherings.


Stated that while he has been leader Labour have won big elections in London, Bristol, Sheffield - often with increased majorities or winning back from the Tories in the case of the London Mayor.


Rejected the front page news about how tight his tie knot is, how low his bow is, whether he sings the national anthem (I never do - it's about God and the Queen - two concepts I object to).


Been appalled at the behaviour of the PLP especially in denying full paid up members the right to vote in the leadership election.


I am a left wing moderate and if in 2 years time it looks like Labour would not win a GE I would I am very happy for Corbyn to step aside and for someone else to take over. But that has to be done in the right way by engaging with the massive increase in membership rather than turning against them. The coup is a farce as it will only end in the result we had before it was called but instead of Labour and the Tories being neck and neck there is now a 14 point gap. That is the result of trying to unseat Corbyn.


I have a straight forward way of thinking. I'm not interested in trying to wrangle a victory over how things are worded. I'm interested in fairness and the bigger picture.


So - I believe it is unfair to straddle too much 'blame' for the EU exit on anyone except Cameron as he called the referendum and he lead the Remain campaign, and he lied throughout, and then he quit.






That is how I feel. It's not tricky or sinister. I'm not a massive Corbyn fan but I back the Labour Party and he is the leader with a massive mandate which is likely to get bigger. That is democracy and IMO the PLP need to except that and harness the extra members and support each other and debate policy from that start point.

i can't see how anyone could see my stance as unreasonable.




And yes this is still on the wrong thread.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

i can't see how anyone could see my stance as unreasonable.

You never can. You see your hard left stance as middle of the road and the centrism of the current Tory party as fascism.

 

[londonblue]

His name isn't Corduroy and I have never seen him as the new messiah. I don't particularly praise him just defend him against what I see as unjustified criticism. So I:


Stated that he is anti racist every time it is implied this is not the case.

I don't think anyone has implied he's racist. He certainly has racist friends though. How is that relevant to this thread?

Stated that he is generating large support at well attended political gatherings.

If you're talking about this thread then you tried to imply that having a large amount of people at a speech made it a rousing speech. The two aren't related in any way, which you seem to have conceded.

Stated that while he has been leader Labour have won big elections in London, Bristol, Sheffield - often with increased majorities or winning back from the Tories in the case of the London Mayor.

Labour have won by-elections, just like every opposition does. I would argue they've done that in spite of Corduroy, not because of him. After all, he's the worst performing leader of the opposition ever.

Rejected the front page news about how tight his tie knot is, how low his bow is, whether he sings the national anthem (I never do - it's about God and the Queen - two concepts I object to).

I have no idea what this is about!

Been appalled at the behaviour of the PLP especially in denying full paid up members the right to vote in the leadership election.

I've been appalled at his behaviour. He failed miserably during the referendum campaign and doesn't even have the decency to do anything about it. If he were manager of Southend United we'd all be calling for him to resign his performance has been so atrocious.

I am a left wing moderate and if in 2 years time it looks like Labour would not win a GE I would I am very happy for Corbyn to step aside and for someone else to take over. But that has to be done in the right way by engaging with the massive increase in membership rather than turning against them. The coup is a farce as it will only end in the result we had before it was called but instead of Labour and the Tories being neck and neck there is now a 14 point gap. That is the result of trying to unseat Corbyn.

No you're not. This is actually an interesting point, everyone seems to see themselves as moderate, and then gauges every else based on that. (That is also why Rusty sees socialism as communism - he's so right wing, but doesn't realise it.) Personally I think 2 years time is too late as it doesn't give anyone new long enough to establish themselves. IMO the only thing that will save Labour is if he sods off as soon as possible. I also note you're not blaming Corduroy for this 14 point gap, just the PLP. My view is that he should resign because he's so poor, and it is his refusal to do so that is why the PLP are doing what they're doing. If he were doing well, or had resigned because of his own poor performance then they would have no need to do what they're doing.

Were Labour neck and neck with the tories prior to the referendum? As far as I can see (from the UK Polling Report website), apart from one yougov poll on the 26th April the Tories have always been in front. There was also another poll on the same day that put the tories ahead too.

I have a straight forward way of thinking. I'm not interested in trying to wrangle a victory over how things are worded. I'm interested in fairness and the bigger picture.


So - I believe it is unfair to straddle too much 'blame' for the EU exit on anyone except Cameron as he called the referendum and he lead the Remain campaign, and he lied throughout, and then he quit.

Corduroy's performance during the referendum was woeful. I didn't once see him share a platform with the rest of the Remain campaign. I didn't see anything that lead me to believe he actually believed what he was saying. The fact that he wouldn't even say which way he actually voted also speaks volumes.

That is how I feel. It's not tricky or sinister. I'm not a massive Corbyn fan but I back the Labour Party and he is the leader with a massive mandate which is likely to get bigger. That is democracy and IMO the PLP need to except that and harness the extra members and support each other and debate policy from that start point.

Ok then. A challenge for you. If you're not a massive fan of his tell me something you don't like about him.

i can't see how anyone could see my stance as unreasonable.

Backing someone 100% when you say you're not a massive fan is unreasonable IMO. Or are you playing devil's advocate?

And yes this is still on the wrong thread.

So why did you respond?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Don't worry lb, I am fully aware that my views are 'so right-wing'. I'm thinking that the far left have a harder time recognizing their extremism because it's far more socially acceptable due to their co-opting of academia and most of the broadcast media.

 

[londonblue]

Don't worry lb, I am fully aware that my views are 'so right-wing'. I'm thinking that the far left have a harder time recognizing their extremism because it's far more socially acceptable due to their co-opting of academia and most of the broadcast media.

I think you've just proved my point further actually!

 

[RHB]

I have absolutely no idea what this thread now has to do with UKIP. Maybe take your current posts to the Corbyn thread?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I have absolutely no idea what this thread now has to do with UKIP. Maybe take your current posts to the Corbyn thread?

The problem is people on social media seem to love talking about Corbyn, maybe because the mainstream media like to pretend he doesn't exist other that to criticise him for trivialities.


Post 8 is where Rigsby switches the conversation to Labour but it went a bit UKIPy and Rigsby again on post 17, half and half UKIP / Labour for a very short time then Rigsby again on post 27 and then full on Corbyn from then on - mostly with Londonblue on the attack and me on the defence.


So maybe cut and paste it to the Corby thread from post 27?


After the Tories and Labour UKIP have gone full on internal combustion with front runners banned and NEC members resigning in disgust - so would be a shame for the UKIP thread to miss out on that because it's easier to blame Corbyn for everything.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

it's easier to blame Corbyn for everything.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/03/ukip-leadership-steven-woolfe-excluded-from-ballot

Some genuine UKIP news for a change.Ha,****ing Ha!

" I’m actually quite impressed. Ukip has managed to top the Labour party with this. It is astonishing.":smiles:

 

[rigsby]

The problem is people on social media seem to love talking about Corbyn, maybe because the mainstream media like to pretend he doesn't exist other that to criticise him for trivialities.


Post 8 is where Rigsby switches the conversation to Labour but it went a bit UKIPy and Rigsby again on post 17, half and half UKIP / Labour for a very short time then Rigsby again on post 27 and then full on Corbyn from then on - mostly with Londonblue on the attack and me on the defence.


So maybe cut and paste it to the Corby thread from post 27?


After the Tories and Labour UKIP have gone full on internal combustion with front runners banned and NEC members resigning in disgust - so would be a shame for the UKIP thread to miss out on that because it's easier to blame Corbyn for everything.

"It wasn't me Miss, it was Rigsby"

I never even mentioned Corbyn on post 8. As per usual you try and blame someone else. Your whinging sounds more pathetic every post.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

That's like funny cos like it's supposed to be 1-1-1 for the American ambulance like but one of the 1's is a word not a number. So it's like funny.
And also because the thread is about UKIP who only like UK stuff - this is American stuff so it's like a very subtle **** you to UKIP too because the funny racoon dude is from America not the UK and so are the numbers even when one is made into a word. So.....on so many levels this copy and paste picture is awesome, so awesome.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

"It wasn't me Miss, it was Rigsby"

I never even mentioned Corbyn on post 8. As per usual you try and blame someone else. Your whinging sounds more pathetic every post.

Well Rusty likes you so you are A-ok with me.