French presidential election 2017

[Benfleet A1]

Good, now you can calm down a bit and stop thinking you might be murdered in bed.

Have been watching the ticatape feed of all the congratulations for Macron. Seems to me that Tusk and Juncker are making political gain from it and May is being just a bit too sycophant for my liking. As for Merkel, well, anglo french/german relations, that might be just a little sour on the palate for some given history.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Macron ought to be better for the UK than Holland ever was.
Might he also suggests some EU reforms that could cause hic-cups for the brexit ride?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Macron ought to be better for the UK than Holland ever was.
Might he also suggests some EU reforms that could cause hic-cups for the brexit ride?

I honestly don't think it will make much difference how, electorally, the 27 line up, if May doesn't change her present approach to negociations.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

President Macron arrives to make his speech to supporters to Ode of Joy....sets the tone. :smile:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

There seem to me to be two significant figures in the French Presidential election.The first was turnout at 65%. "the lowest in more than 40 years. Almost one-third of voters chose neither Macron nor Le Pen, with 12 million abstaining and 4.2 million spoiling ballot papers." Incidentally, it was 5 points less that the 71% last time around in 2012.

The second was the 11 million voters who voted for MLP's NF.

Tony Benn claimed in 1983 that 8 million people had voted for Socialism.I suppose you could say on that basis that 11 million people in France voted for neofascism yesterday.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

MACRON PRESIDENT!
WOW! just WOW! what a scenario. What an incredibly moving video. I've found the one with the least cacophony of commentators voices playing over such a solemn event.
Following all the bitter disappointments of Brexit, Trump, May and the likely landslide of a Tory government in the UK..........a breath of fresh air and a moment of complete joy........joy for France and for Europe. There will certainly be many moments of difficulty, pain and disappointment ahead but I'm happy just to immerse myself in the happiness and hope I found last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBzP-X16wJs

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Personally,while I was extremely pleased that MLP was roundly defeated, I take no pleasure in Macron's victory.

It's a win for neoliberalism and employment policies that have failed before.The next five years is going to be a difficult time for France.

Without a majority in the French Assembly Macron will not be able to carry out his manifesto promises.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Personally,while I was extremely pleased that MLP was roundly defeated, I take no pleasure in Macron's victory.

It's a win for neoliberalism and employment policies that have failed before.The next five years is going to be a difficult time for France.

Without a majority in the French Assembly Macron will not be able to carry out his manifesto promises.

Oh dear! and just when I'm in the process of celebrating! For what it's worth the legislative is not the Presidential and I have doubts Mélechon's oratory and charimsa will work as effectively in June's elections. The system will see him and the official socialists, fighting it out over the carcus that is the hard left. A good number of moderate socialists will probably join with Macron. Obviously, there are difficult and demanding times ahead but we'll see how things pan out after June.
I'm sorry Barna, revolution, neither for the extreme-left nor the extreme-right happened this time. There again revolution is often better read about in books than it is, lived through in real life........don't you agree. :winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Personally,while I was extremely pleased that MLP was roundly defeated, I take no pleasure in Macron's victory.

It's a win for neoliberalism and employment policies that have failed before.The next five years is going to be a difficult time for France.

Without a majority in the French Assembly Macron will not be able to carry out his manifesto promises.

Oh dear! and just when I'm in the process of celebrating! For what it's worth the legislative is not the Presidential and I have doubts Mélechon's oratory and charimsa will work as effectively in June's elections. The system will see him and the official socialists, fighting it out over the carcus that is the hard left. A good number of moderate socialists will probably join with Macron. Obviously, there are difficult and demanding times ahead but we'll see how things pan out after June.
I'm sorry Barna, revolution, neither for the extreme-left nor the extreme-right happened this time. There again revolution is often better read about in books than it is, lived through in real life........don't you agree. :winking:

I think we both know that the legislative elections are in June.Macron's En Marche party doesn't have a single seat atm.I'm quite happy to bet you (or anyone else) that Macron won't have a majority for EM after the election.

As you know we've been here before, in 2002.The difference this time is that 1/3 of the French electorate decided to abstain.

3 French Presidents (2 right and 1 left ) have had a chance to fix things since JMLP was defeated in 2002.

Macron certainly doesn't represent revolution.More like the same old,Hollande 2.0 in fact.:winking:

The FN has been defeated (again) this time around.Good.The elections in 5 year's time will be the one to watch out for.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I think we both know that the legislative elections are in June.Macron's En Marche party doesn't have a single seat atm.I'm quite happy to bet you (or anyone else) that Macron won't have a majority for EM after the election.

As you know we've been here before, in 2002.The difference this time is that 1/3 of the French electorate decided to abstain.

3 French Presidents (2 right and 1 left ) have had a chance to fix things since JMLP was defeated in 2002.

Macron certainly doesn't represent revolution.More like the same old,Hollande 2.0 in fact.:winking:

The FN has been defeated (again) this time around.Good.The elections in 5 year's time will be the one to watch out for.

The legislative will be rather closer fought than the Presidential and and you've almost got to be a professional gambler to put your money on any given outcome.............should be an interesting contest. It may well not come down to a clear majority but rather to enough députés not obstructing key parts of his programme.
It's not really like 2002, neither of the (ex?) giant political machines were in involved and anyway, how many people then voted for Chirac rather than against Le Pen?
One thing I'm totally in agreement with you about, the FN won't go away.........unless Macron, as he wishes, can find solutions to France's deep seated problems, which has led millions to vote for them (easier said than done)...........but there again you've got to hope that he is up to the challenge (and a considerable one it certainly is). One point here is that MLP may face problems, not only on how she fought the campaign but how her own party moves on from here. The even worse Marie Marechal Le Pen may prove an increasing thorn in her side.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Might he also suggests some EU reforms that could cause hic-cups for the brexit ride?

Ripping up the Le Touquet agreement has been mentioned already.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Sacre Bleu!

Oh well, suppose Barna had to win one bet at some point. A Nigel to shrmperzone as agreed.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Sacre Bleu!

Oh well, suppose Barna had to win one bet at some point. A Nigel to shrmperzone as agreed.

You can ask Rigsby about my recent record.:winking:

 

[MK Shrimper]

Sacre Bleu!

Oh well, suppose Barna had to win one bet at some point. A Nigel to shrmperzone as agreed.

You're not the bloke who had £500 on Le Pen, and then claimed his 13yr son did it when she got thumped?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

The French were given a very straightforward choice and opted for suicide. RIP.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

You're not the bloke who had £500 on Le Pen, and then claimed his 13yr son did it when she got thumped?

No, but if I had it, I'd stick it on her winning next time around if things don't change in France. France voted Macron to stop Le Pen being elected - a victory yes but hardly a glowing endorsement. What about the millions that voted for her, are they all raging right wing racists or people concerned with how the landscape is rapidly changing? The left have already been kicked out - carry on ignoring ordinary people and ordinary people have a habit of biting you hard on the arse.

 

[Benfleet A1]

No, but if I had it, I'd stick it on her winning next time around if things don't change in France. France voted Macron to stop Le Pen being elected - a victory yes but hardly a glowing endorsement. What about the millions that voted for her, are they all raging right wing racists or people concerned with how the landscape is rapidly changing? The left have already been kicked out - carry on ignoring ordinary people and ordinary people have a habit of biting you hard on the arse.

11 million voted for her and 11% of papers were spoilt. Not quite the ringing endorsement after all as you say. I read that Le Pens aim was always the 2022 election so an interesting 5 years ahead of us in France. Bankers aren't any more popular over there than here.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Ripping up the Le Touquet agreement has been mentioned already.

Is this not a populist manifesto item? don't many Frenchies just want the Calais "migrants" gone and into the UK without them having to do the lawful bit?
I expect it will happen as French will tow the German line and do nasty things in a bullying way with it's gang of EU mates cheering them on.
No politician will have the courage to state the EU is almost bust and needs reform, quickly and deeply: & then ask the UK if a 2nd referendum with the real changes might be worth a go.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-fill-candidate-list-for-elections-next-month

Not looking good for Macron.Can't say I'm suprised.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

11 million voted for her and 11% of papers were spoilt. Not quite the ringing endorsement after all as you say. I read that Le Pens aim was always the 2022 election so an interesting 5 years ahead of us in France. Bankers aren't any more popular over there than here.

Or to put it another way 1/3 of the French electorate voted for her and 2/3's didn't,while 1/3 of the French electorate didn't bother to vote in the second round at all.

You're quite right that the next five years will be "interesting" in France though.

Is this not a populist manifesto item? don't many Frenchies just want the Calais "migrants" gone and into the UK without them having to do the lawful bit?
I expect it will happen as French will tow the German line and do nasty things in a bullying way with it's gang of EU mates cheering them on.
No politician will have the courage to state the EU is almost bust and needs reform, quickly and deeply: & then ask the UK if a 2nd referendum with the real changes might be worth a go.

I would also expect the Le Touquet agreement to go,as quite frankly, I can't see how France benefits from it.Don't think it was in Macron's "manifesto" though.

Meanwhile, here are some of Macron's motley crew for June:-.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-fill-candidate-list-for-elections-next-month

Can't say I ever liked REM.:winking: