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This is such a cop out. The man has form, just except it. It's the same excuses, main stream media, right wing press, the tories, blairites, but never the great leader.

Raed Salah, a hate preacher who Corbyn met and called 'avery honoured citizen'

Hamas/Hezbolloh who want the destruction of all Jews.

Reverant Stephen Sizer, disowned by the church for his Anti Semetic views.

Corbyn has been assiociated with them all. And what about his appearences on Press TV, the Iranian channel that regularly has Holocaust deniers on?

Hasn't anyone else noticed that he only apoligises when the obvious has been pointed out to him?

The blind faith here is quite sad really. If it was a tory or UKIP man this site would be in meltdown.
 
If you look under beds you will find communists. Well, actually you wont. They were just figments of people's imaginations. That was Post War America.

Today, you will find anti semites. No doubt I will be accussed of anti semitism, but it seems to me there is a concerted effort by a small number of people, with connections to the Tory Party, to smear Corbyn. How else would a demonstration of 500 make headline story on Newsnight, when the much larger anti Brexit march didn't get a mention.

Corbyn, lets be honest here is the only mainstream politicial leader with a history of opposing racism, facism and, to be exact, anti semitism. The broad definition of anti semitism seems to be being used to tar anyone who says anything about Jews. I'll instead go as far as left as you can and quite the Socialist Worker (the mouthpiece of the SWP, who have been accused of anti semitism because of their stand on the current leadership of Israel) who in discussion about zionism took the postition that in a situation where a facist was beating up a Jew, you wouldn't ask if the Jew was a Zionist, you'd oppose the facsist.

I looked under my bed, and apart from a few childhood monsters, there were no anti semites or communists.

Last week Corby was a Czech KGB agent, this week he is an anti semite, next week an invader from the planet Mungo working on behalf of Ming the Merciless?? All this in a week where May put a stop to free school meals for poor kids (not reported on in the Looney Press). Anyone would think there are elections coming up and some of you just lap it up.

The fact remains, that if you lived in Scandanavia, Corbyn would be a run of the mill social democrat. Quite why you are so ****ing scared of someone who offers the most radical social agenda we've seen in decades, one that offers solutions to poverty and homelessness beggars belief and says more about your own ignorance and selfishness than anything else.

I think you need to read two things. This is a quote from a Jewish friend of mine who is a Labour member and is probably actually in love with Corbyn:

As a Jewish socialist and Corbyn hopeful, this is much more concerning than a right wing media distraction technique or propaganda to discredit him. There is a lot to read on this subject at the moment which sheds light on this important issue to those who haven't grappled with it.

I can only hope that this is the beginning of a deeper understanding of anti semitism and how it manifests today and the imperative to act on it from the left in an assertive way. There is too much at stake and important work to do at this point in history.

We need to get it right urgently and then use this knowledge to continue to further inform the essential work of transforming society to be a place of safety for all

The 2nd is an article in the Grauniad of all places:

Guardian

And if you can't be bothered to open the link:

It was a politely furious protest. I’ll talk about the politeness first. I arrived a few minutes late to Parliament Square for the demonstration against … well, let’s say the somewhat cavalier attitude towards antisemitism displayed by various members of the Labour party, and specifically the most senior member of the Labour party. The square was jam-packed, and despite all the people on my social media feed who had been urgently telling me for days that Jews were hysterically conniving to bring down Jeremy Corbyn, there was a notably peaceful air to the proceedings. While speakers such as Luciana Berger tried in vain to make themselves heard, the crowd made self-mocking jokes: surely there must be a buffet at a Jewish protest? I wished I’d made some signs: “Not antisemitic? Jew must be joking!” It was that kind of protest.

But there was also palpable fury beneath the politeness. I can’t speak for why all the other people at the protest felt furious – we didn’t establish a party line on this at our last general meeting because we were too busy discussing how to control the weather, as a US politician alleged last week. But I was furious after a weekend of news stories about how Corbyn had, once again, endorsed antisemitic behaviour and failed to take responsibility for it until public opinion forced him to do so. Deja vu? Groundhog Day, more like.

Let’s run through the greatest hits: there was the time Corbyn took tea with the hate preacher Raed Salah, and called him “a very honoured citizen”, even though he’d been charged in Israel with inciting anti-Jewish racism and violence; the time he hosted representatives from Hamas and Hezbollah, even though Hamas’s charter calls for the destruction of the Jews; the times he accepted a total of £20,000 for appearing on Iran’s Press TV, a channel that regularly hosts Holocaust deniers; the time he defended the Rev Stephen Sizer, who was banned by church authorities from social media for sharing antisemitic material blaming Israel for 9/11; that he was an active member of three Facebook groups on which deeply antisemitic posts regularly appeared; and that now he has commented on Facebook in support of an absurdly antisemitic mural. Corbyn is frequently praised by his supporters for sticking to his guns, never wavering in his opinions, and yet when you bring up any of the above instances they wave them away as being “ages ago” and say he’s apologised since. Corbyn has always cried innocent, insisting that of course he abhors antisemitism (and-all-other-forms-of-racism). How could anyone accuse him of being soft on it? Don’t they know his mother was at the Battle of Cable Street? Yeah, well, my mother worked with Jim Henson– it doesn’t make me Big Bird.

Truly, I have never known a man to find himself alongside antisemites so often and not realise until it is publicly pointed out to him. Someone ought to make a sitcom about his misadventures with the antisemites. It could be called Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!, but with a more tutting tone than the usual triumphant one. A descending horn noise could sound whenever someone has to say it: “Have you just joined another antisemitic social media group? Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!”

I was furious after a weekend of watching his supporters – members of the public, journalists I once respected, various MPs – insist that this was all nonsense, a smear, a Zionist conspiracy designed to bring down infallible Jeremy. Quite how Jews have the wherewithal to conspire against Corbyn by cunningly making him endorse antisemites without his knowledge is never explained. So let’s get something straight: if someone has actually done something, reporting that action is not “a smear”, it’s “reporting”. And suggesting Jews always have an ulterior motive, even when reacting to antisemitism, is really not the best way to prove that you’re not antisemitic.

I’m furious with people who respond to these points by huffing that criticism of Israel, by Corbyn or anyone on the left, does not make one antisemitic, even though Israel had nothing to do with any of Corbyn’s antisemitic encounters; and I’m furious with people who imply a little antisemitism is a price worth paying to achieve Corbyn’s socialist society. I’m furious with people who spent all of last week reading Russian runes into an image of Corbyn’s hat on Newsnight, and this week insist they can’t see anything antisemitic about a blatantly antisemitic mural. Most of all, I am furious with people for insisting there is nothing to see here, when we all know that if a Tory or Ukip politician had done half of the things Corbyn has done, these same people would be insisting they be put in the stocks. The hypocrisy takes the breath away.

Finally, I’m furious with people making Corbyn seem like a passive participant in all this. Sure, we can talk about how antisemitism is “baked into” the far left, and Corbyn himself has started to push this narrative with his latest apology (his third, or possibly his fourth since Friday – I’ve lost count). He says “antisemitism has resurfaced within the Labour party”, as though it were nothing to do with him, and others refer to antisemitism as a sickness that they will now root out.

But you cannot help getting sick – you can, however, help turning a blind eye to antisemitism. Corbyn made his own choices about what he clicked online and who he had tea with. What Jewish people need is for him to take some responsibility, show some backbone and honesty, explain why he was willing to ignore antisemitism for so long, and apologise. Not for “feelings hurt”, but for endorsing racists.

But I’ll be honest, I’m not holding my breath. So in the meantime, going to the protest was a balm. It was a relief to be with people who weren’t gaslighting Jews by insisting that what they were seeing in front of their eyes wasn’t true, and it was nice to see the MPs who showed up – Harriet Harman, Jess Phillips, Stella Creasy, Chuka Umunna – and know that at least some Labour politicians weren’t laughing this off as a distraction.

By the time Labour MP Wes Streeting took the stand to talk about how this ongoing scandal was “a stain” on the Labour party, and that Shami Chakrabarti’s 2016 report into antisemitism in the Labour party was a laughable “whitewash”, emotions were running high. No yarmulkes fell off any scalps, but you could see the backs of necks pinking. It was a civil protest, but a passionate one, and a deeply serious and heartfelt one. And as I left I felt myself smiling a little. But I’ll be honest – I was still furious.

One thing I will say is that I've heard people say that it's now too late for him to apologise, but if an apology is genuine, and leads to genuine change then it's not too late, and to throw that back in his face is extremely unfair. You can't demand change and then when the change comes, then say "well it's too late now". That's just childish.

The good thing is that he has admitted there are issues with antisemitism in the labour party (which is why I'm surprised people are still arguing otherwise), which is at least a step in the right direction. Obviously actions speak louder than words, so I'll hold judgement for the time being.
 
Glad your back Lordy. Seeing as others won't, perhaps you could tell me why we can't use the name Jezbolla or whatever it was.
The person using that nickname has a strong dislike of Corbyn and the nickname seemed to Islamify his name – so by association it comes across as a slur on Muslims. That is my take on it.

As we are on repeat questions without an answer maybe you will clarify your own words:

‘Not sure why so many of you want to cover up for Paedophile gangs’

which members of Shrimperzone are you referring to?
 
Whilst you lot squabble over a pointless mural the government announce new levels of security including he 'Fusion Doctrine'. Sounds like something Big Brother would come up with.

How convenient that the continuous Salisbury soap opera has smoothed the way. They are now going to decontaminate the town centre a full 24 days after the event and we have a new character introduced to the show his best friend and neighbour......Still no CCTV or nice beside press photos.

Yesterday slipped past every one was the fact that there will be no investigation or discipline cases as to why The Greater Manchester Fire Brigade did not attend the Arena bombing for over 2 hours......The biggest 'shout' in there history and no one attended due to communications failure...mmmmmmm........The answer.....More security measures.
 
This is such a cop out. The man has form, just except it. It's the same excuses, main stream media, right wing press, the tories, blairites, but never the great leader.

Raed Salah, a hate preacher who Corbyn met and called 'avery honoured citizen'

Hamas/Hezbolloh who want the destruction of all Jews.

Reverant Stephen Sizer, disowned by the church for his Anti Semetic views.

Corbyn has been assiociated with them all. And what about his appearences on Press TV, the Iranian channel that regularly has Holocaust deniers on?

Hasn't anyone else noticed that he only apoligises when the obvious has been pointed out to him?

The blind faith here is quite sad really. If it was a tory or UKIP man this site would be in meltdown.
The opposite is in fact the case - the other politics threads barely get touched. Boris Johnson calling the Russia World Cup the equivalent to the Nazi Olympics (seemingly oblivious to the fact that Russia boycotted it and the British team attended and gave Nazi salutes), Theresa May backing her assistant who has outed a whistleblower despite his family not knowing he was gay, a Tory council going bankrupt, C4 investigations into data theft and the connections to the Tory party and Vote Leave - there are many many examples of government shonkiness that no one bothers to bring up on here because it is a never ending list of bad.
 
There are multiple times BoJo used racist terms but that bloated windbag still sits in one of the most important jobs in the country.
 
he has never denied it and it has been tackled but that doesn't mean it will be wiped out. And obviously if something is tackled now it doesn't mean a comment from 6 years ago won't be highlighted again now.
I'm pretty sure that you know I wasn't saying it was ok.

You do appear to be doing as much damage limitation as possible here AAS, however nobody will be fooled.

The current back log of cases regarding anti Semitism in the Labour party is 70 plus, if this was UKIP or The Tories you would be jumping up and down.

However it's Labour so just a few bad apples eh?
 
The person using that nickname has a strong dislike of Corbyn and the nickname seemed to Islamify his name – so by association it comes across as a slur on Muslims. That is my take on it.

As we are on repeat questions without an answer maybe you will clarify your own words:

‘Not sure why so many of you want to cover up for Paedophile gangs’

which members of Shrimperzone are you referring to?

That's good enough for me ***. Anyone who shows the slightest descent towards the Great Leader should be banned from the zone.
 
Other than distraction how is this relevant to Labour?

It is relevant because it illustrates only too clearly how different standards are applied when discussing the use of racist terms. Johnson and his ilk can get away with the most disgusting explicit terminology and somehow that's ok but if anyone on the left is deemed by the rightwing media and its poodles to have uttered anything remotely regarded as possible racism, then the heavens fall in. The obvious conclusion to be drawn from this is that racism and bigotry are endemic in the Tory DNA, whereas in Labour it is the exception rather than the rule.
 
That's good enough for me ***. Anyone who shows the slightest descent towards the Great Leader should be banned from the zone.
I think you are missing the point - it's a slur on Muslims as they are being associated with someone the namecaller has a strong dislike for.

Who is calling for anyone to be banned? I merely asked the relevant person not to use that term and I explained why.

I'm not even calling for you to be banned despite you calling fellow posters apologists for paedophiles.
 
It is relevant because it illustrates only too clearly how different standards are applied when discussing the use of racist terms. Johnson and his ilk can get away with the most disgusting explicit terminology and somehow that's ok but if anyone on the left is deemed by the rightwing media and its poodles to have uttered anything remotely regarded as possible racism, then the heavens fall in. The obvious conclusion to be drawn from this is that racism and bigotry are endemic in the Tory DNA, whereas in Labour it is the exception rather than the rule.

Sorry this is 'quick look over there' at its very worst....unless of course you were trying to make the case that if its ok for the Tories then its ok for Labour.

This is a thread about Corbyn not Johnson, however I can see where it is convenient for his supporters to throw stones from glass houses.
 
You do appear to be doing as much damage limitation as possible here AAS, however nobody will be fooled.

The current back log of cases regarding anti Semitism in the Labour party is 70 plus, if this was UKIP or The Tories you would be jumping up and down.

However it's Labour so just a few bad apples eh?
as there is so much damage escalation going on damage limitation needs to happen too to bring it into reality.
If there are cases being dealt with then it is being dealt with.

I'm aware that it exists and I know it needs dealing with. Jon Lansman - Jewish - head of Momentum - threw his hat into the ring for General Secretary - got a load of anti-Semitic abuse on social media.
 
Sorry this is 'quick look over there' at its very worst....unless of course you were trying to make the case that if its ok for the Tories then its ok for Labour.

This is a thread about Corbyn not Johnson, however I can see where it is convenient for his supporters to throw stones from glass houses.
A1 was talking about the fact the Tories wouldn't get away with it - on this board they have barely been mentioned recently. They literally get away with murder - arming the anti-Semitic state of Saudi Arabia - murder.
Figures have been released that life expectancy in the UK has dropped for the first time in....forever. How much of that is due to austerity - arguably the Tories are getting away with killing us.
 
Glad your back Lordy. Seeing as others won't, perhaps you could tell me why we can't use the name Jezbolla or whatever it was.


Oh hell, I've far more important things to do than entangle myself in this *********** of a discussion for anymore than a couple of posts a month.

It's just cathartic to get stuff off your chest, which I did a couple posts of earlier.
 
Isabel Hardman and George Eaton - 2 journalists that I follow on twitter who are usually very critical of Corbyn have both said he put in one of his best PMQs performance today. I won't watch till this evening but....that is what they are saying.
 
Oh hell, I've far more important things to do than entangle myself in this *********** of a discussion for anymore than a couple of posts a month.

It's just cathartic to get stuff off your chest, which I did a couple posts of earlier.

Nice to keep us informed but what about nicknames for JC......Is there an approved list ?.... I see Tangled was using the term Maybot the other day...Is that offensive ?
 
I think you are missing the point - it's a slur on Muslims as they are being associated with someone the namecaller has a strong dislike for.

Who is calling for anyone to be banned? I merely asked the relevant person not to use that term and I explained why.

I'm not even calling for you to be banned despite you calling fellow posters apologists for paedophiles.

That reminds me. What about Naz Shah and her tweet about the forgotten victims of Telford.....Any opinions ***?
 
Isabel Hardman and George Eaton - 2 journalists that I follow on twitter who are usually very critical of Corbyn have both said he put in one of his best PMQs performance today. I won't watch till this evening but....that is what they are saying.


That's interesting re Hardman as she is John Woodcock's partner.
 
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