Megan Stammers

[MK Shrimper]

Feel a bit mixed on this one.

On one hand I think you dont send your kids to school for them to be hit on. I have a few mates who are teachers and they have all said in the past student/teacher relationships are a no no. So on that front and if it was my daughter I would be mad I do understand.

That said she could turn sixteen next week for all I know and then if she wants to run away with an older guy then who a I to judge. Not sure a week (in this example might be more) really makes a difference.

Is he a sex offender? Not sure - Dont think so really but I think you have to ask questions about why you would want a relationship with a sixteen year old? The teenagers I speak to can barely put a sentance together.

..and what if she's just turned 15? The line has to be drawn and it's 16 for a reason. She's not mature enough for this kind of relationship and he's abused his position of trust.

 

[Crawliano]

Tell 'em Phil.

 

[OldBlueLady]

..and what if she's just turned 15? The line has to be drawn and it's 16 for a reason. She's not mature enough for this kind of relationship and he's abused his position of trust.

As I said in previous post, 15 is not classed as a minor in France -
"The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years imprisonment and a fine of 75,000 euros".
However, it does then go on to say: Article 227-27 prohibits sexual relations with minors over the age of 15 (15, 16, 17) 1) where they are committed by a legitimate, natural or adoptive ascendant or by any other person having authority over the victim 2) where they are committed by a person abusing the authority conferred by his functions.

So, it might cover a "crime" in that extra bit, I suppose it's a case of wait and see. The age of consent has been 15 since 1945, and is, interestingly, also the same age for homosexual acts.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

The reports from France say that under French law, as a 15 year old, she's not classed as a minor so no case to answer there, however, there is apparently definitely a case for abduction.

Is there? Was she abducted? I am sure she went of her own free will to be honest. The face he is her teacher makes it look worse because of his position.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Is there? Was she abducted? I am sure she went of her own free will to be honest. The face he is her teacher makes it look worse because of his position.

Depends which definition you follow:

1. The action or an instance of forcibly taking a person or persons away against their will.
2. The illegal removal of a child from parents or guardians.

The law is concerned with the second definition so, on that basis, she was abducted.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Depends which definition you follow:

1. The action or an instance of forcibly taking a person or persons away against their will.
2. The illegal removal of a child from parents or guardians.

The law is concerned with the second definition so, on that basis, she was abducted.

She left her house telling them she was staying at a mate's. Shes more culpable than you think

 

[MK Shrimper]

She left her house telling them she was staying at a mate's. Shes more culpable than you think

She's 15, he has no excuse.

 

[londonblue]

And 3 lines up from the bottom of this report is confirmation that the family believed she was at a friend's

I must have missed that. At least it puts my mind to rest to a certain extent. However, I also agree with an earlier post about allowing a school girl to stay at a friend's house on a school night...

 

[McNasty]

How many girls of her age run off with older men and never make the headlines ?

 

[South Bank Hank]

...there is apparently definitely a case for abduction.

Is there? Was she abducted? I am sure she went of her own free will to be honest.

Depends which definition you follow:

1. The action or an instance of forcibly taking a person or persons away against their will.
2. The illegal removal of a child from parents or guardians.

The law is concerned with the second definition so, on that basis, she was abducted.

She left her house telling them she was staying at a mate's. Shes more culpable than you think

I didn't tell you what I think one way or the other. I'm suggesting how the law might consider 'abduction'.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I must have missed that. At least it puts my mind to rest to a certain extent. However, I also agree with an earlier post about allowing a school girl to stay at a friend's house on a school night...

:smile: That was my post too!

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I didn't tell you what I think one way or the other. I'm suggesting how the law might consider 'abduction'.

What about alien abduction

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I didn't tell you what I think one way or the other. I'm suggesting how the law might consider 'abduction'.

Don't you have an opinion then?:unsure:

 

[South Bank Hank]

Don't you have an opinion then?:unsure:

Yawn. The point being made here Barna is that the only relevant opinion on the matter of what constitutes abduction is that of the court.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yawn. The point being made here Barna is that the only relevant opinion on the matter of what constitutes abduction is that of the court.

How about the court of public opinion?

 

[South Bank Hank]

How about the court of public opinion?

How about it? OBL's point was about there being a case for abduction. For which my opinion, yours or anyone else's is entirely irrelevant as the case will be based upon the law. It's not a difficult concept here.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

How about it? OBL's point was about there being a case for abduction. For which my opinion, yours or anyone else's is entirely irrelevant as the case will be based upon the law. It's not a difficult concept here.

Might as well close the thread then.:smile:

 

[South Bank Hank]

Might as well close the thread then.:smile:

Why so?.....

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Why so?.....

The smiley indicates it was a joke.I think we're(along with most people)in agreement on this one.The teacher concerned will obviously(and rightly)be struck off and almost certainly ( and rightly)be convicted of abduction.

 

[BrettieAngell]

Whatever the rights and wrongs are this guy has risked a lot to be with a 15 year old girl, very strange.