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Sol is rather silly coming out with his outburst.
So that's the reason then?
Sol is rather silly coming out with his outburst.
Yes all good points. I think good captains make good coaches (and pundits! c.f. G. Neville) and good coaches make good managers. The fact that there's only a handful of black captains in the 92 is alarming and one things that could be highlighted/influenced via clubs/managers without having to do something drastic like a Rooney Rule.
Are there any countries doing this better than we are - does say Spain have a greater number of black coaches, that we could learn lessons from?
Not entirely sure I'm with you there. I'd actually argue that in modern football captains are largely defunct, but that's another argument entirely.
Neville's a good coach because of his studious work ethic. He was never that naturally talented at the game but grafted to make sure his technique stood up under pressure and he was meticulous in his approach to compensate for that 1, 2 or 10% he'd give away to gifted opponents. That makes him a good coach, he knows what good technique is and he's more than prepared for the long training ground stints to perfect it. Someone like Shearer, on the other hand, was undoubtedly a good captain for both Newcastle and England, but is a truly terrible coach. Roy Keane too. Supposed to have been one of the most keenly analytical coaches to have passed through the UEFA coaching licences, but he simply cannot accept anything less than perfection, which is why it hasn't worked out for him.
Whilst I definitely acknowledge something should be done to encourage more black coaches and managers, I'm not entirely sure what that is. Would a Rooney Rule remedy that? I don't think so.
Yeah good stuff, I was probably been far too simplistic. My general point is that in general people who are 'good for the game' tend to show their qualities during their playing career (and not all good managers/coaches have to have been good players) and I reckon many will have been captains, due to being good leaders and understanding the perspective of both players and management.
With someone like Keane, my guess is that he was well respected by his teammates and led by example, but he obviously didn't deal particularly well with SAF, McCarthy et al. I don't think anyone really expected him to become a top top manager (who knows what might happen in the future now, he seems to be calming down now that he has Chiles as a human punch-bag).
Going back to my original point - looking at NFL, it's clear that barriers such as 'black people can't coach', 'black players can't throw the ball' are starting to be broken down little by little.
OBL might think that everything is perfect and there's not a problem, but do people genuinely believe that 2/92 black managers reflects a pure meritocracy?
You are right that for whatever reason there are not many black managers etc in football,but i just honestly do not think that Venables ,Hoddle,Keegan. and Ericksen did not make him a full time England captain because he is blackHow do we know? There aren't many black managers, captains or influential people in the FA. It's pretty clear that some barriers need to be torn down.
Campbell really displayed the leadership qualities when he was captain of spurs and let his contract run down to join their arch rivals. He always seemed self centred and conceited and not captain material