The EU Referendum

[callan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36353013

More lies from the leave campaign about Turkey.

You get more like Cameron every day!

 

[OldBlueLady]

I am absolutely fed up to the back teeth of all the "this will happen if we leave" crap. No-one can accurately predict at this stage because it is an unknown, there is no precedent so everything is just conjecture and speculation.

 

[Swiss Tony]

You get more like Cameron every day!

Has the silver spoon as well.

 

[mfurok]

TTIP (at least in its present form) won't happen.

Sorry.

Doesn't answer the question.

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[Uncle Leo]

I am absolutely fed up to the back teeth of all the "this will happen if we leave" crap. No-one can accurately predict at this stage because it is an unknown, there is no precedent so everything is just conjecture and speculation.

Possibly.

Although 'the French and the Germans will do their best to make it as difficult as possible for us', while still a guess, feels like something that would be very likely.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The main "lie" is that a Tory Government minister doesn't seem to be aware of the elementary fact that the leader of any one of the 28 member states can veto the accession of any new state into the EU.QED.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Sorry.

Doesn't answer the question.

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I don't let my students mark (correct is another matter) their own homework.Doubtless if I did, they'd all give themselves 10/10. :winking:

 

[londonblue]

I am absolutely fed up to the back teeth of all the "this will happen if we leave" crap. No-one can accurately predict at this stage because it is an unknown, there is no precedent so everything is just conjecture and speculation.

So am I. There's simply no way the leave campaigners can predict what will happen if we leave.

 

[mfurok]

I don't let my students mark (correct is another matter) their own homework.Doubtless if I did, they'd all give themselves 10/10. :winking:

Doubt you answer their questions either.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Let's face it.The Brexit camp have lost the economic argument.http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-36355538

All they're left with now is the immigration dabate.Hence today's focus on Turkey.:thumbdown:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Let's face it.The Brexit camp have lost the economic argument.http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-36355538

All they're left with now is the immigration dabate.Hence today's focus on Turkey.:thumbdown:

And the predicted recession is a direct result of actions by 'the party of fiscal responsibility'

 

[OldBlueLady]

So am I. There's simply no way the leave campaigners can predict what will happen if we leave.

Absolutely. Both sides are as bad as each other. Just present the FACTS, don't keep coming out with new people every day to tell us WHAT WILL happen unless it is an actual fact. To my knowledge, the "remain" campaign have been worse at doing this than the "leave" one.

 

[rigsby]

The main "lie" is that a Tory Government minister doesn't seem to be aware of the elementary fact that the leader of any one of the 28 member states can veto the accession of any new state into the EU.QED.

Shame no one used their 'veto' when Greece wanted in. Or the likes of Romania and Bulgaria and it wont be used in the future.

The EU is in crisis because of its ridiculous business model, which is expand at all costs and that will never change. If you vote in, then you will be voting for more of the same.

 

[Gremlin]

Which is what I have been saying, and why I believe this really comes down to gut feeling and peoples' attitude to risk.

And the risk angle is an interesting one. Many seem to focus on the perceived risks of leaving, overlooking that there would inevitably be risks in staying. Perhaps the next question to ask is who to trust to act in our best interests and help to mitigate those risks, the EU or the UK itself.

 

[londonblue]

Absolutely. Both sides are as bad as each other. Just present the FACTS, don't keep coming out with new people every day to tell us WHAT WILL happen unless it is an actual fact. To my knowledge, the "remain" campaign have been worse at doing this than the "leave" one.

The problem is there aren't any facts. There is only speculation because no-one can predict what will happen.

Of course the remain will be "worse" because it is they are being negative about leaving. All leave have to do is point out how "bad" things are now, which is just as negative, but in a different way.

 

[londonblue]

And the risk angle is an interesting one. Many seem to focus on the perceived risks of leaving, overlooking that there would inevitably be risks in staying. Perhaps the next question to ask is who to trust to act in our best interests and help to mitigate those risks, the EU or the UK itself.

But there is far less risk in staying because it just maintains the status quo. We already know what it will be like: better the devil you know and all that.

 

[MK Shrimper]

The Politics show (yes I know, caught it for a few minutes) summed it up nicely.

Those who say they will vote remain are worried about the economy.
Those who say they will leave are worried about immigration.

 

[Gremlin]

But there is far less risk in staying because it just maintains the status quo. We already know what it will be like: better the devil you know and all that.

Well we know what it is like now. Assuming that will never change is in itself a risk.

I'm not going to assume that my mortgage rate will never go up just because UK base rate has been unchanged for years.

 

[londonblue]

Well we know what it is like now. Assuming that will never change is in itself a risk.

I'm not going to assume that my mortgage rate will never go up just because UK base rate has been unchanged for years.

Indeed. Which is why I said there is less risk rather than no risk.

 

[RHB]

I really, really wish it was the 24th June today!!