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Rochester & Strood by-election

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callan said:
What was actually said;

Suzanne Evans says, unlike Ukip, capital's young educated population can't understand heartache felt by rest of country.

UKIP are in favour of controlled immigration...this is well documented, arguing that rather than let everyone in we control it and bring in the people we need.

That isn't anti immigration, it's common sense.

If anyone was responsible for the rise of the BNP it was Labours which they admitted to at the time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Darling-Labour-to-blame-for-BNP-success.html


It's interesting that you see planning ahead for population growth as a valid point, how do you propose to that when you simply don't know how many are coming in addition to where they will end up?
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If UKIP were only in favour of controlled immigration why did the party spend so much time and money scaremongering with ludicrous figures trying to imply that the entire population were about to turn up on our doorstep? Why did their leader express 'concern' if a Romanian was living next door to him. If it was just about control then he would merely need to discuss the lack of housing and wage deflation in certain industries and at the same time try to sound welcoming to doctors, nurses, IT experts or wherever he sees our skills shortage. He is pretty quiet on the benefits of immigration - he does come across as a little......anti

Labour were responsible for BNP in so much as they were the party in power and some people felt disenfranchised and registered protest votes. The labour movement / union movement / left wing activists took on the challenge and now BNP barely exist.
In the same scenario the Tories are responsible for the rise of UKIP as they are the party in power and some people feel disenfranchised and register protest votes. The conservative movement / right wing activists in the short term seem to have defected. Maybe in the long term they will take UKIP on and they too will become a footnote - remains to be seen.


when have we ever known in advance what the numbers and location will be of population growth? Mr Farage sure as hell doesn't know as the figures he quotes are further from actual than anyone else's.
 
callan said:
What was actually said;

Suzanne Evans says, unlike Ukip, capital's young educated population can't understand heartache felt by rest of country.

UKIP are in favour of controlled immigration...this is well documented, arguing that rather than let everyone in we control it and bring in the people we need.

That isn't anti immigration, it's common sense.

If anyone was responsible for the rise of the BNP it was Labours which they admitted to at the time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Darling-Labour-to-blame-for-BNP-success.html


It's interesting that you see planning ahead for population growth as a valid point, how do you propose to that when you simply don't know how many are coming in addition to where they will end up?
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In your opinion. That will let in people to fill the gaps, but it won't do anything for the people that have no qualifications, but a have a desire to succeed.

For example, there will be no foreign version of Richard Branson. From workpermit.com (from March 2014):

14% of start-up businesses in the UK were founded by immigrant entrepreneurs, according to a newly released report. The report says that there are 456,073 immigrant entrepreneurs working in the UK who have founded 464,527 businesses which employ 8.3m people.
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londonblue said:
In your opinion. That will let in people to fill the gaps, but it won't do anything for the people that have no qualifications, but a have a desire to succeed.

For example, there will be no foreign version of Richard Branson. From workpermit.com (from March 2014):
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Surely it's our own unemployed that we should be pushing to succeed?
 
callan said:
Surely it's our own unemployed that we should be pushing to succeed?
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Why not both? Our own unemployed are perfectly at liberty to set up their own companies and work hard for success. For whatever reason, it seems they don't do so. For the most part, people that come and live here do so for one reason: to succeed. They have a drive and a determination to make a better life for themselves, and their children.

It just seems from my experience that people that are prepared to move, and make sacrifices, and take risks are more likely to succeed which will benefit all of us in the long run.

Moreover, what you have ignored is that these foreign entrepreneurs employ 8.3m people.
 
londonblue said:
Why not both? Our own unemployed are perfectly at liberty to set up their own companies and work hard for success. For whatever reason, it seems they don't do so. For the most part, people that come and live here do so for one reason: to succeed. They have a drive and a determination to make a better life for themselves, and their children.

It just seems from my experience that people that are prepared to move, and make sacrifices, and take risks are more likely to succeed which will benefit all of us in the long run.

Moreover, what you have ignored is that these foreign entrepreneurs employ 8.3m people.
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doesn't take abstract thought to imagine a closed door policy on immigration and the economy goes into reverse and politicians collectively go 'oh ****'
 
londonblue said:
Why not both? Our own unemployed are perfectly at liberty to set up their own companies and work hard for success. For whatever reason, it seems they don't do so. For the most part, people that come and live here do so for one reason: to succeed. They have a drive and a determination to make a better life for themselves, and their children.

It just seems from my experience that people that are prepared to move, and make sacrifices, and take risks are more likely to succeed which will benefit all of us in the long run.

Moreover, what you have ignored is that these foreign entrepreneurs employ 8.3m people.
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I think what was ignored is my original statement, which was;

UKIP are in favour of controlled immigration...this is well documented, arguing that rather than let everyone in we control it and bring in the people we need.

I or UKIP have never said that we don't need entrepreneurs...you arrived at that conclusion based on a false assumption.

Lets bring in the people we need, however lets control it.
 
callan said:
I think what was ignored is my original statement, which was;

UKIP are in favour of controlled immigration...this is well documented, arguing that rather than let everyone in we control it and bring in the people we need.

I or UKIP have never said that we don't need entrepreneurs...you arrived at that conclusion based on a false assumption.

Lets bring in the people we need, however lets control it.
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Actually, I was replying to this:

callan said:
UKIP are in favour of controlled immigration...this is well documented, arguing that rather than let everyone in we control it and bring in the people we need.

That isn't anti immigration, it's common sense.
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I was making the point that that is your opinion. IMO, it isn't common sense.

There's no false assumption there. Controlled immigration works on letting in the people we think we need. What we also need is the people we don't realise that we need; the people that are going to find a gap in the market and exploit it. That won't be filled by any control system.
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
doesn't take abstract thought to imagine a closed door policy on immigration and the economy goes into reverse and politicians collectively go 'oh ****'
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AAS you are having a great day on here, we don't want a closed door policy, you're absolutely right, we do however as you asserted earlier need to plan, and in order to plan... you need to control.
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
The UKIP representative put the lack of London votes down to the fact that Londoners are educated and cultured of course.

the lack of planning ahead for immigration I think is a valid point but it has been a lack of planning ahead for any kind of population growth - neither of the last two governments have put house building prorams into place and affordable housing is a falicy. There has been little planning for the ageing population either - the Tories hospital closures making the situation worse.

BNP vote was chased out of Barking by Margret Hodge with the assistance of Hope Not Hate. I would say that the vast majority of BNP votes would switch to UKIP as they are both seen as anti immigration parties and protest votes - that section of the voting public is an easy win for UKIP surely?
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Were Hope not Hate on a rest day when this happened ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/102...om-ex-BNP-member-for-his-bid-to-be-an-MP.html
 
londonblue said:
Actually, I was replying to this:



I was making the point that that is your opinion. IMO, it isn't common sense.
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I would agree with you if your assumption that my opinion was based on, we don't need entrepreneurs....however it wasn't....no one has said that.

Surely it is entrepreneurs that discover the gaps in the market.
 
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