Germany !

[mrsblue]

It's not nice to throw stones at people, but if we posted on here every time someone in the world did something not nice the servers would collapse under the weight of data.

We are not talking about the world though,this thread is about Germany and their migrant fiasco,the stone throwing is relevant because Germans now have another gripe to moan about.

 

[MK Shrimper]

We are not talking about the world though,this thread is about Germany and their migrant fiasco,the stone throwing is relevant because Germans now have another gripe to moan about.

Or to be exact, you do.

 

[mrsblue]

Or to be exact, you do.

Never took you long !

 

[Swiss Tony]

It was a story about Germany and the title of this thread is ......

What about the Auschwitz error? you dishonour her name you ignoramous.

 

[rigsby]

What about the Auschwitz error? you dishonour her name you ignoramous.

Oi leave him alone, to an out of touch old middle class white man, Concentration camps are a bit like coloured people ...they all look the same.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

We are not talking about the world though,this thread is about Germany and their migrant fiasco,the stone throwing is relevant because Germans now have another gripe to moan about.

Ok then

It's not nice to throw stones at people, but if we posted on here every time someone in Germany did something not nice the servers would collapse under the weight of data.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Oi leave him alone, to an out of touch old middle class white man, Concentration camps are a bit like coloured people ...they all look the same.

Actually the only two I've been to, Dachau and Auschwitz, looked very different.

 

[mrsblue]

Actually the only two I've been to, Dachau and Auschwitz, looked very different.

Auschwitz is a very harrowing experience,the nazis were totally insane !

 

[ozzie]

Read in the paper today,that 300-400 German police ringed a part of Düsseldorf,they were looking for North Africans,especially people from Morocco,Algeria &Tunisia. 300 were detained,but only 40 arrested,the police are now cracking down in Germany.
The Police President(boss) said that people from N.Africa,especially Morocco,Algeria &Tunisia cause more trouble(law breaking),than other migrants.
Made me think.. 1 .what would happen if they done that in the UK,Brixton,etc?
2..what would happen,if say the boss from Scotland yard ,said that about North Africans?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What about the Auschwitz error? you dishonour her name you ignoramous.

You wot?

Auschwitz is a very harrowing experience,the nazis were totally insane !

Indeed they were.Only the Nazis could have applied the techniques of assembly line production to mass murder.

On the subject of which,I thought this was interesting:-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35342821

Incidentally,as the article makes clear,athough Ann Frank was processed at Auschwitz, she died in Belsen.

 

[rigsby]

So mcnasty why do remove my post but not to post 249. Do have some favourites on here?

 

[rigsby]

You wot?



Indeed they were.Only the Nazis could have applied the techniques of assembly line production to mass murder.

On the subject of which,I thought this was interesting:-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35342821

Incidentally,as the article makes clear,athough Ann Frank was processed at Auschwitz, she died in Belsen.

About a year ago you claimed it was a war crime to bomb the Nazis

 

[Benfleet A1]

You wot?



Indeed they were.Only the Nazis could have applied the techniques of assembly line production to mass murder.

On the subject of which,I thought this was interesting:-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35342821

Incidentally,as the article makes clear,athough Ann Frank was processed at Auschwitz, she died in Belsen.

Oh I don't know. Stalin wasn't exactly a slouch in the production line murder department. But as they say, history is written by the winners.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So mcnasty why do remove my post but not to post 249. Do have some favourites on here?

The truth obviously hurts.:winking:

About a year ago you claimed it was a war crime to bomb the Nazis

Actually,I maintained that the bombing of civilians in Dresden was a war-crime,IMO.

Difficult to believe that only Nazis were targeted.:nope:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Oh I don't know. Stalin wasn't exactly a slouch in the production line murder department. But as they say, history is written by the winners.

We could have a discussion about the differences between Nazi concentration camps and Stalin's Gulags.if you like.

However,I'm not sure this thread is the right place for it.

 

[londonblue]

Actually,I maintained that the bombing of civilians in Dresden was a war-crime,IMO.

But have you studied the various laws of war that have been written and re-written pretty much continuously since the end of the 19th Century? I personally haven't, but it might well be that carpet bombing wasn't actually a crime at the time: it may even have been the Second World War that had that brought into law.

For clarity, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just asking whether or not this is based on the law at the time? It seems to me your opinion may well be at odds with the law.

And I accept that even if it wasn't a war crime at the time, it doesn't necessarily make it morally acceptable, but that is a completely different argument to whether or not it was a war crime AT THE TIME.

This is an interesting article:

BBC - What is a War Crime?

The concept of war crimes is a recent one. Before World War II, it was generally accepted that the horrors of war were in the nature of war.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But have you studied the various laws of war that have been written and re-written pretty much continuously since the end of the 19th Century? I personally haven't, but it might well be that carpet bombing wasn't actually a crime at the time: it may even have been the Second World War that had that brought into law.

For clarity, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just asking whether or not this is your opinion or is it based on the law at the time?

And I accept that even if it wasn't a war crime at the time, it doesn't necessarily make it morally acceptable, but that is a completely different argument to whether or not it was a war crime AT THE TIME.

This is an interesting article:

BBC - What is a War Crime?

I'm happy to admit that I have no substantial knowledge of what you call "the law at the time."

If anything my opinion is a moral one rather than a legal one and comes mainly from a close reading of Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse 5.

Thought this was an interesting read though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

 

[rigsby]

The truth obviously hurts.:winking:



Actually,I maintained that the bombing of civilians in Dresden was a war-crime,IMO.

Difficult to believe that only Nazis were targeted.:nope:

Would that include people who produced Zyklon B. Or how about Railway workers. As you have witnessed yourself at Auschwitz the train drivers dropped a lot of passengers off but didn't have to many on the return journey. How about munitions workers?

Germany had nearly 19 million people in uniform. That means every 'civie' was busy trying to feed, clothe or arm them.

Anyway back on topic. Did you read about that lad of 15 stabbed to death in Sweden after he tried to stop a 14 year old from Syria harassing a girl in their class the day before. The murderer announced publicly that he would take his revenge.

Nice to see the school failed to protect their kids. Lets be honest we know exactly why they did nothing.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Would that include people who produced Zyklon B. Or how about Railway workers. As you have witnessed yourself at Auschwitz the train drivers dropped a lot of passengers off but didn't have to many on the return journey. How about munitions workers?

Germany had nearly 19 million people in uniform. That means every 'civie' was busy trying to feed, clothe or arm them.

Off topic, but psychological tests have shown that if someone in a position of authority tells you to do horrible things, most people will do them without question. The famous Milgram test had everyday people thinking they were electrocuting people to death because someone in a white coat told them to. Some even laughed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

 

[Uncle Leo]

From NYE in Cologne through to Dresden and the Nazis. Is this just a general discussion about all things German now?

If so let me know when we get on to Gerd Muller. What a player he was.