The EU Referendum

[MK Shrimper]

No one knows what will happen following a leave vote. That creates huge amounts of uncertainty. People don't like uncertainty. Pointing that out is not scaremongering.

Especially financial markets. They are incredibly risk adverse.

 

[superblue24]

I'm so sick of this scaremongering line. It isn't scaremongering to point out that everything might, maybe, possibly, not be 100% rosy if we exit.

No one knows what will happen following a leave vote. That creates huge amounts of uncertainty. People don't like uncertainty. Pointing that out is not scaremongering.

What makes me sick is people presenting opinion as fact, and how those "opinions" make it read verbatim onto the fronts of newspapers for people to see on a daily basis.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Wow.

Not sure you meant to type that?....nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes, I did mean to type that.

In the same way that the Civil Service doesn't defend itself politically.

Loads of myths have been propagated about the EU and about their meddling but UK politicians are content for the EU to take the blame rather than admit that the EU are carrying out the agenda they proposed and fully support.

 

[callan]

Yes, I did mean to type that.

In the same way that the Civil Service doesn't defend itself politically.

Loads of myths have been propagated about the EU and about their meddling but UK politicians are content for the EU to take the blame rather than admit that the EU are carrying out the agenda they proposed and fully support.

That may well be, however it does not deter from the fact that there are many truths.

Most of your assumptions, are based on whether the UK's interests are the same as the EU's, and I have already pointed out that we do not share their currency nor their political ambition.

In short the EU's interests are not always the same as the UK's and yet they speak for us in many different assemblies.

You say you want to be global, and expect to achieve it by remaining part of the EU which is regional at best and anti global at worst.

Why shouldn't the UK be able to embrace and advance into the world on it's own. unencumbered and unshackled by a collective of countries that takes an eternity in it's decision making process.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Both sides are scaremongering, I understand Ford have told their workers that there will definitely be job losses if we go the Brexit route. I fail to see how anyone can be definite about anything at this stage, it is all purely conjecture because you can't possibly know!

Question is simply, are we big enough and brave enough to give standing on our own two feet a go?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Both sides are scaremongering, I understand Ford have told their workers that there will definitely be job losses if we go the Brexit route. I fail to see how anyone can be definite about anything at this stage, it is all purely conjecture because you can't possibly know!

Question is simply, are we big enough and brave enough to give standing on our own two feet a go?

No.Next question? :winking:

 

[rigsby]

No.Next question? :winking:

OBL was asking about Britain not that struggling holiday resort of a country where you live.

 

[OldBlueLady]

No.Next question? :winking:

That's the crux of the matter though. I think we are. I suspect that everyone behind the Brexit campaign thinks exactly the same.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

OBL was asking about Britain not that struggling holiday resort of a country where you live.

You're not one of those economic illiterates (like Pubey) who think Spain is bankrupt are you? :unsure:

 

[rigsby]

You're not one of those economic illiterates (like Pubey) who think Spain is bankrupt are you? :unsure:

Just pointing out that OUR referendum has nothing to do with you. Its a bit like a Col U fan coming on the zone and telling us what players to sign this summer:thumbsup:

By the way we will see how well the Spanish economy is doing when the EU collapses and they have to stand on their own two feet

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Just pointing out that OUR referendum has nothing to do with you. Its a bit like a Col U fan coming on the zone and telling us what players to sign this summer:thumbsup:

By the way we will see how well the Spanish economy is doing when the EU collapses and they have to stand on their own two feet

While it's true I can't vote in the referendum, (because of the 15 year rule), I'm still a British passport holder and very much interested in British politics.

As for your second point,I'd chuck away your crystal ball if I were you.You're obviously in need of a new one.:smile:

 

[callan]

You're not one of those economic illiterates (like Pubey) who think Spain is bankrupt are you? :unsure:

By your own admission, 20-25 per cent unemployment is hardly cause for celebration.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

By your own admission, 20-25 per cent unemployment is hardly cause for celebration.

Absolutely not.Nor is it proof of imminent bankruptcy,however.

Remember though, the forecasts last week, that Brexit would send the UK into recession.

 

[rigsby]

Absolutely not.Nor is it proof of imminent bankruptcy,however.

Remember though, the forecasts last week, that Brexit would send the UK into recession.

What just like Britain keeping the pound, or all those thousands of jobs we were going to lose if we introduced a minimum wage.

Still cant understand why you, a self confessed Marxist, are so keen to back big business and Banksters who are only concerned about them getting even wealthier at the ordinary peoples expense.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What just like Britain keeping the pound, or all those thousands of jobs we were going to lose if we introduced a minimum wage.*

Still cant understand why you, a self confessed Marxist, are so keen to back big business and Banksters who are only concerned about them getting even wealthier at the ordinary peoples expense.

While nobody would deny that the EU has many flaws,it's still an institution that has provided European workers with extensive rights, fully enshined in law,which could in theory, become more fully democratised in the future.

*It was of course the Labour party under Tony Blair which introduced the minimum wage.Though I suspect what you're referring to here is, in fact,the living wage.

 

[rigsby]

While nobody would deny that the EU has many flaws,it's still an institution that has provided European workers with extensive rights, fully enshined in law,which could in theory, become more fully democratised in the future.

*It was of course the Labour party under Tony Blair which introduced the minimum wage.Though I suspect what you're referring to here is, in fact,the living wage.

Yes know that and that was what I was referring to. A perfect example of us not needing the EU to protect workers and perfect example of the same scaremongering about job losses by big business.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yes know that and that was what I was referring to. A perfect example of us not needing the EU to protect workers and perfect example of the same scaremongering about job losses by big business.

Talking about "scaremongering" perhaps you can explain to me why-when GB is not signed up to Schengen or the Euro-why the right is so worried about immigration and the Euro-zone crisis?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That's the crux of the matter though. I think we are. I suspect that everyone behind the Brexit campaign thinks exactly the same.

Ah but are you familiar with the concept of pooled or shared sovereignty?

Being part of the EU is what helps to make GB a player on the world stage in the 21st century.Leaving would be a recipe for who knows what?

 

[rigsby]

Talking about "scaremongering" perhaps you can explain to me why-when GB is not signed up to Schengen or the Euro-why the right is so worried about immigration and the Euro-zone crisis?

What's the point Its all been explained before. Just like that Scottish Labour lightweight on Question Time you just ignore what people say anyway. She claimed that immigration has no effect on wages or housing.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What's the point Its all been explained before. Just like that Scottish Labour lightweight on Question Time you just ignore what people say anyway. She claimed that immigration has no effect on wages or housing.

Didn't see QT on Thursday.

You haven't seen anything yet in terms of the barrage of remain propaganda that's going to come your way.:smile: