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It would seem we are back where we started when Stan first got involved.

There is a marked difference between input and power. Whilst Ron Martin has clearly appreciated Stan's input, he doesn't appear to like the idea of Stan having Administrative power. Let's hope that a compromise/solution can be found after all the hard work that's gone into the current situation recently.
 
It would seem we are back where we started when Stan first got involved.

There is a marked difference between input and power. Whilst Ron Martin has clearly appreciated Stan's input, he doesn't appear to like the idea of Stan having Administrative power. Let's hope that a compromise/solution can be found after all the hard work that's gone into the current situation recently.
Hardly. We now have Tom as CEO and a great management team. We are a million miles away from where we started when Stan first got involved
 
Hardly. We now have Tom as CEO and a great management team. We are a million miles away from where we started when Stan first got involved
Wouldn't go that far..... we are still going to have issues when it comes to recruitment of players due to are bad reputation through out the game. Only way to solve that is new ownership!

I wish the management team well as they are going to need it.
 
He does every single month. The man has many many faults, but the idea he is taking money OUT of the club rather than putting IN is worthy of the worst type of FB misinformation. So you might have more joy posting this observation there.

Of course he may yet get a payday- but until this point the hard cash has been flowing in one direction only.
The accounts show a considerable sum flowing out in management/consultancy charges
 
The accounts show a considerable sum flowing out in management/consultancy charges

Two questions;

1) I haven’t seen the accounts, but has this figure increased from the accounts of a few years ago?

2) I recall (happy to be corrected though) that the figure a few years ago showed Ron and his wife were taking £130k per year between them for management and consultancy fees?
 
I see people still talking about Ron. The meeting today was between Tom and Stan. Tom and Stan both mentioned last night that the running of the football club falls under Toms remit. There is no mention of Ron by Stan today or much last night other than that he was still and will continue to put money in to the club where required. However, im sure Ron would have had the conversation with Tom about Stans role. Lets hope that a compromise can be found and Stan will still be involved as like many others last night filled us with so much hope
 
Stan is a big personality, and has a following and influence over many supporters and the media to an extent. Ron is a businessmen and could see Stan as a threat as an an employee, rather than an advisor not being paid.

I sense Tom and Stan have a good relationship, but at the end of the day, Ron pays Tom's wages and would direct and ditate terms of employment. Tom is not going to go against the man that pays him and would have to stick to these set boundaries.

It will be interesting how it pans out. I believe many want Stan in, supporters, coaches and players, who all believe in his vision and buy into his passion, but we have to recognise Ron pays the bills so will make the final decision and it will be on his terms which Tom has to run with.

The other issue I can see is we don't currently have a football operations director on the payroll budget, so whatever Stan wants financially would have to be found.

Currently with RM at the helm, outside investors will not be interested in the club. If Stan comes in and things start happening, then investors may show an interest... which RM could also see as a threat.
 
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The accounts show a considerable sum flowing out in management/consultancy charges
Here we go again in a way. You say "flowing out" as if there is some sort of cash outflow in his direction which there patently isn't (and sorry maybe its not want you meant but for those who then might misinterpret). He writes himself paper IOUs but the fact is every month cash is flowing IN not OUT. Surprise would be if we were surprised at a club losing £2.5m on a £7.5m turnover pre COVID.
 
Will definitely get strung up for this, but I've had a creepy feeling about this whole thing. What Stan says makes sense, but a lot of it is greatest hits from Shrimperzone, so of course people are going to lap it up.

Southend fans are desperate people right now, looking in all directions for a way out of this. Maybe Stan can help facilitate this, but I can't help feeling that the enthusiasm from the zoom calls was probably taken to the negotiation table when it came to discussing a role at the club.

To be clear: nothing has changed yet, no corners have been turned, I'd feel a lot better if we began getting the structure Stan has talked about, including Stan in a role, delivering results, then negotiate for what that role means and costs going forward following measurable positive change.

If it really means that much for Stan to do the job and help the club that shouldn't be out of the question. Implement change, turn the results around, move us up the league, then talk renumeration and expansion of role.
Hey TheBeard

I haven't taken one penny from Southend United since the first informal involvement in May.

In that time I took a CEO to the club, got 18 coaching and recruitment candidates around a table and 3 excellent coaches have been given jobs after an incredible amount of work.

They are two tangible deliveries which everyone I'd hope can acknowledge that were driven by a structure, a structure set out in a Zoom call on May 10th. So I'd ask every Southend United fan one question...

Before May 10th, who, why, where and what was the plan? The plan was Phil Brown, Ricky Duncan and Ron trusting their judgment.

No CEO, no forward planning, Ron justifiably spending time on FF, trusting others to do a job of work. For pay.

So compare my "work" for free ( I told Tom today I want nothing, nada, zero, zilch for anything I've done so far, but put it in a deal moving forward. Fair? I think so) to others work for money. And then ask yourself where the value is.

If anyone at the club, any supporter or watcher from afar can point to any evidence that a competent CEO, an owner comfortable now with his role , 3 young coaches fully vetted would be a reality even weeks ago most would have said this was a pipe dream. And I helped deliver that, and some clarity and some reasoning and some positive hope. All good things that will serve the club well.

But I'm not a trialist.
I'm not in need.
I don't have to prove anything.

So an offer of free help, while valid up to today ( I will not put a petrol chit, nor train ticket nor take one penny to date because that's what I promised) isn't valid beyond today. And that's not an issue at the club because today was to discuss roles, responsibilities and a deal that only values me for what I can deliver, in line with club budgets and trust me, for what I'm delivering is fantastic value.


But again, I'm not a trialist.
I'm not in need.
I don't have to prove anything.


I'm surprised at the outcry over what I thought was an update on a positive morning in lieu of another thread on the forum which asked "what time will Stan be confirmed "

I just didn't want anyone to be disappointed if white smoke didn't bellow from Roots Hall, so I thought an honest appraisal of the situation would temper a building "the messiah is here " sentiment that naturally happens when a former favourite comes back but at every step of the way I've been at pains to temper.

Tom will be guided by club finances, his view ( he's the boss! He runs the club, Ron had no involvement today whatsoever other than to say hi when he called Tom during our meeting) of my involvement, roles and responsibilities, then agreeing with them, or not. That's business!

We're actively discussing a position at the club and that position has to be right for the club ( Tom, the boss) and me (giving lots of time that ordinarily I'd be involved in medua projects at home and abroad). There is a will on both sides to do a deal but not at any cost on either side. That again, is business!

When telling you all in 2003 on here I'd always be here to help, I meant it. This year, Southend United has got great input from me, an industry professional of 30 years, 18 candidates lined up within days of a sacking, brought 3 guys together ( don't kid yourself, there was zero chance of this 3 coming together without the process we embarked upon) who'll be great on the coaching pitch, a new CEO who's bossing it and ideas and solutions ranging from supporter engagement to recruitment to scouting and a document robust enough to set out a clear way forward.

If I'm seen as competent enough to be involved in bringing a CEO and 3 young and talented coaching staff to the club, then I'm competent enough to only have the same hoops to jump through as any other employee.

I think that's fair, don't you?
 
Very difficult to fathom, but only one side is being fully transparent, so we only get one side of the story.
We are a club of limited financial resources, I get that for the numeration side of things and I also understand Ron won't want to hand over too much control and power.
However, its clear what Stan can bring us, demonstrated in only a week or so. As long as Ron has the ultimate veto, I don't understand why a role title and responsibilities would be a problem?
Somehow, THIS HAS TO HAPPEN!
 
Thank you for your update Stan, you continue to honour your word of being honest and open with all of us which continues to be very refreshing and something that we are not used too......
Good luck and best wishes for your negotiations next week. I for one want to see you in the role that you so obviously desire, you have totally impressed me both from a buisness point of view and as a person and you are our way forward for the future.
If there is any glimpse that Ron may have used and abused you in the last few weeks then I like many others will not be happy........so let's just hope that this is all about negotiation tactics UTB
 
Yeh we need someone to pay for all of this
Some of it is paid for by supporters though. We do buy tickets, shirts etc. I know we have been conditioned to feel worthless but this shouldn't be forgotten.

If the stadium doesn't make enough extra revenue that's kind of on slumlord Ron since he has run Roots Hall into the ground. The condition of RH is not 'natural decline', its not a bloody iceberg, its because it hasn't been cared for.

I notice our rent* hasn't been reduced as the stadium has deteriorated. Not exactly value for money.

*The rent Ron owes to himself. It's completely fictional.
 
Hardly. We now have Tom as CEO and a great management team. We are a million miles away from where we started when Stan first got involved
I thought it was obvious that I was referring to the relationship between Stan and Ron Martin. If you had taken the time to read ALL of my post you may have noticed I mentioned "all the hard work that's gone into the current situation recently."
 
I like Stan's vision for the future of the club therefore I hope there is compromise on both sides to achieve him signing a contract.

What I particularly liked was that the whole structure would be analysed and revamped, and we would be moving away from the same old path of appointing someone and their entourage for a few months before we go through the process again, and then again, and again.

I can't help but feel that if Stan doesn't become involved we will have missed an important opportunity. As he said, if he cocks it up he will gone anyway.

Ron may have reservations as Stan has a big personality but we need something drastic to happen to arrest our current freefall and lift the constant gloom over the club.
 
Wasn't TL introduced to the club by Stan ?

66% of the management team have worked for Martin before and must know about previous non-payment of wages and bills.

I am sure Stan was a good reason in their return .

Yes Tom was introduced by Stan. Stan also seems to have played a big part in getting our new management team in. That's what I was saying. Without Stan, we would still be without a CEO and probably still putting up with PB
 
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