Breaking News St Johns Ambulance Ends Agreement Over Debt

[Supershrimper]

Surprised they haven't put out a call for season ticket money early for next season. Purchase now and you'll get x back when the bridging loan is secured

 

[BALDY]

Put yourself in the place of a player (home or away) would you really want to play in such a high standard of non league football without enough professional medical care?

I dread to think what would happen if a broken leg was sustained.
Would a players' insurance be null and void?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Something does not add up here. Putting aside the HMRC tax bill and sundry other large debts which presumably make up the £5 million required and hopefully received via a bridging loan, surely the day to day running costs can be funded by the board of directors?
I have made this point before, RM is the major shareholder, he owns the club and consequently earns all the flak that comes his way. BUT, what about Van Wezel, Markscheffel and Lockett? Surely things like paying for the St Johns Ambulance would be loose change, at least to the first two, given their business fortunes?
Otherwise what precisely is their function on the board?

I think we have a right to know, particularly those of us who are shareholders, albeit at a much smaller level.

Legally directors are under no obligation to dip into their own pockets.

Previously I’m sure they have all offered up short term loans or just paid straight up. The question therefore becomes what has changed.

That's 60 hours plus additional on calls currently.....

Again not sure that's the answer.

I used to be the deputy VIP supervisor at Wembley Stadium many years back and there was strict safety requirements on staffing football matches. You can't really have stewards (for which we run on minimal levels anyway) dual rolling. For example, if you take a steward out to fix a bandage in the first aid room, and an unexpected event took place such as a fire, etc, then you don't have enough personnel to safely facilitate crowd control.


Another point being, if you are giving first aid, like anything, you need the regular practice. Individual stewards would not be consistent enough in delivering safe care quality which could result in club law suits down the line.

And not to be disrespectful, but with first aid comes CPR. A lot of our stewards (not all) are of an age where delivering this adequately would be difficult, as it's extremely physical.

Short of it is, we need medical services solely focusing on delivering medical services.

You saw Dan Mooney be stretchered off?

Put yourself in the place of a player (home or away) would you really want to play in such a high standard of non league football without enough professional medical care?

I dread to think what would happen if a broken leg was sustained.
Would a players' insurance be null and void?

No, because St John’s Ambulance aren’t administering first aid to players. This is about the crowd.

Less of an issue for Saturday as we’ll probably only get 2500 but more of an issue for Tuesday when we’d expect double that.

 

[basilrobbie]

Maybe but there is allways someone out there who will lend people money regardless of there previous history .Beleve me i know that for a fact .The only time loans cant be obtained is if you are declared bankrupt . Nieither Ron or the club has i beleve .

Unless you are omniscient, you can't possibly know any of that for "a fact". It's actually unsubstantiated cobblers (in my opinion).

Your shrug your shoulders fatalism surprises me, I have to say. I'm not following this as closely as all of you, but it seems to me that all the evidence is pointing the wrong way. I hope that this does turn out to be just another piece of puerile brinkmanship on the part of Mr. Martin, because the alternative is unthinkable.

 

[Dubai]

Yes exactly that but RM needs to bring in other investment to complete the job and how many out there will trust him with their millions. Maybe he needs to book a slot on Dragons Den, that would be an interesting pitch (Pun intended)

Mate, you’re a Col U fan. Don’t worry about us. We will be back to give you an annual Boxing Day smashing soon :) Whilst passing you by on our march up the leagues and leaving your tin pot little club behind.

 

[rigsby]

Some of the current crop of St Johns are hardly in the best physical shape themselves.

Who remembers the St Johns bak in the late 70's Normally a youth and a bloke about 30st sitting by a corner flag. Dressed all in black with a litle white man bag. They looked like Godfrey on Dads Army.

When the big lad tried to run he had to lean so far back his strides were shorter than if he had walked instead. Queue much laughter from the crowd, the death march if it was the oppo and no giving the ball back......Fun times back then.

 

[wiggy]

This is looking bad!
Thought he would pull the dramatic rabbit out of the hat by now with a positive statement to make him look good....not happened this time, really has run out of mugs to lend him!

 

[Colblue]

Mate, you’re a Col U fan. Don’t worry about us. We will be back to give you an annual Boxing Day smashing soon :) Whilst passing you by on our march up the leagues and leaving your tin pot little club behind.

Col U are infinitely better run than Southend.
Fact

 

[Colblue]

Put yourself in the place of a player (home or away) would you really want to play in such a high standard of non league football without enough professional medical care?

I dread to think what would happen if a broken leg was sustained.
Would a players' insurance be null and void?

Let’s hope the players insurance isn’t another bill that’s fell by the wayside. That insurance isn’t cheap

 

[Spenser]

So lets assume it's broadly correct that SJA charges 1k per match and the club owes them 20k. When they show up every month on the debtors list and the amount is constantly rising, what does our esteemed leader think?
Hmm. Perhaps we should find another way to cover first aid for our supporters as we clearly shouldn't keep stiffing this well respected charity?
Or: Feck them. They're a soft touch.

 

[RHB]

Have to wait and see it was cash only to start with last season but things were not as bad as they are now

And, of course, they may not be as bad as the start of the season or now when next season's renewal time rocks up.

 

[londonblue]

It is not giving him money to pay off the tax, it is paying for the day to day running of the club in order for it to function. Good god man, if I could afford to, I would be more than happy to pay the tea-lady, reception staff, medical support etc etc.
If I had a net worth as much as Van Wezel has, I wouldn’t think twice about helping the staff out, whatever my grievances with the owner.
I take it you are familiar with the expression “cutting off your nose to spite your face?”

It is giving Ron money when he never repays. Either way, why should they give any more when he takes the **** out of them by never repaying and they're already owed substantial amounts, especially as he's the only one who stands to make any money out of the new stadium?

 

[Dubai]

It is giving Ron money when he never repays. Either way, why should they give any more when he takes the **** out of them by never repaying and they're already owed substantial amounts, especially as he's the only one who stands to make any money out of the new stadium?

That’s not true though.

Current bridging loan partners have had a previous loan repaid.
The trust has had previous loans repaid.

What you mean is unlikely to be repaid on the agreed date. Big difference between unpaid and paid late.

 

[londonblue]

That’s not true though.

Current bridging loan partners have had a previous loan repaid.
The trust has had previous loans repaid.

What you mean is unlikely to be repaid on the agreed date. Big difference between unpaid and paid late.

Never repays the other directors.

 

[Stuart W]

Never repays the other directors.

Are you saying therefore that one of the main functions of a director is to lend money, rather than to put their own money into the club?

 

[Colblue]

Are you saying therefore that one of the main functions of a director is to lend money, rather than to put their own money into the club?

Yes as only RM owns anything so why would they subsidise somebody else’s investments

 

[londonblue]

Are you saying therefore that one of the main functions of a director is to lend money, rather than to put their own money into the club?

Directors are employees of a business and as such are supposed to be paid, not to subsidise the business. Only in football would that even be a question.

 

[Stuart W]

Directors are employees of a business.

Doing what then exactly? Nodding dogs?

 

[londonblue]

Doing what then exactly? Nodding dogs?

They can't do anything when Ron owns over 75% of the shares, keeps them in the dark and takes money from them without ever paying it back. My understanding is that the only reason they haven't all resigned is because they at least try to hold Ron to account in meetings...when he bothers to actually have them.

Just like pretty much anyone he's ever had dealings with, Ron's alienated them.

 

[Tinks]

So for tomorrow we'd need 3 first aiders and a crowd doctor?

Shouldnt be too difficult to sort out.

Doesn't excuse non payment to sja though

The Club always has a crowd doctor in attendance and obviously a doctor for the players so that is covered there
I would willing offer to help if needed in an emergency as I am sure would others who are suitably trained