Maher To Hull?

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

Quote[/b] (CS J @ April 12 2005,22:46)]i think it wouldnt do any harm to let barratt have a go with the arm band and i am sure you would see a far more passionate side..

In my eyes it would do harm to the general morale/spirit of the squad. For a start Maher would be ****ed off, as one could imagine and a couple of players would side with Maher in believing it was harsh and a couple of other players could side with Barrett and think its about time. IF that were to happen, a previously happy camp would be split down the middle.

IF Tilly wanted to have Barrett as skipper, the best time to do it would be in the summer when he'd have a longer time of trying to work on the morale.

 

[Thenewblue]

Leave him as the captain. No need to rock the boat, especially when its ahead of the rest of the pack.

 

[J]

indeed..

 

[BrettieAngell]

Good thing is we have a natural successor if Maher leaves or is long-term injured!

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

Quote[/b] (BrettieAngell @ April 12 2005,22:56)]Good thing is we have a natural successor if Maher leaves or is long-term injured!

Thats why I'd leave it as it is. If it aint broke, don't fix it and all that.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (BoyWonder2 @ April 12 2005,23:48)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,22:42)]

Quote[/b] (BoyWonder2 @ April 12 2005,23:40)]He will be when his playing there with us.

I could be wrong, but in my eyes only Eastwood and Gower could play Championship football at the weekend and not look out of place.

Disagree. I don't think any of our squad are ready just yet for Championship football. Bruisers and battlers they may be, but up for the demands of the job two divisions higher? I don't think so, not just yet ...

WS

I dunno Mike. Eastwood has that arrogance/self-confidence that all good strikers need at any level of football. Perhaps he need more guidance at that level, and maybe if he was to play alongside an experience front man like Teddy Sheringham say, I feel he wouldn't look out of place.

I'm not saying there's not one player in our current squad who would make it in the Championship. I'm suggesting that no-one is ready YET to make that bigger transition in both quality and quantity. Maybe another 12 months or so. And maybe with Southend!

WS

 

[BrettieAngell]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,22:58)]

Quote[/b] (BoyWonder2 @ April 12 2005,23:48)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,22:42)]

Quote[/b] (BoyWonder2 @ April 12 2005,23:40)]He will be when his playing there with us.

I could be wrong, but in my eyes only Eastwood and Gower could play Championship football at the weekend and not look out of place.

Disagree. I don't think any of our squad are ready just yet for Championship football. Bruisers and battlers they may be, but up for the demands of the job two divisions higher? I don't think so, not just yet ...

WS

I dunno Mike. Eastwood has that arrogance/self-confidence that all good strikers need at any level of football. Perhaps he need more guidance at that level, and maybe if he was to play alongside an experience front man like Teddy Sheringham say, I feel he wouldn't look out of place.

I'm not saying there's not one player in our current squad who would make it in the Championship. I'm suggesting that no-one is ready YET to make that bigger transition in both quality and quantity. Maybe another 12 months or so. And maybe with Southend!

WS

Well thats the plan!!

 

[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,22:49)]You may be right. But I think you're being a tad harsh on Maher. Certainly a couple of seasons ago he was lacking the nuance to convey inspiration and motivation to the rest of the team. But he's developed so well in the past 18 months and I think it would be unfair to remove the armband just yet. Think about it : as Maher has developed, so has the team. Coincidence? Maybe. But what if it isn't? What if "sacking" him as skipper has the REVERSE effect?

WS

You'd have to hope that Maher would have the professionalism and maturity to deal with it if changing the captaincy is something that the manager decides to do. Liverpool did it last year when Houllier took the armband off of Hyppia and gave it to Steven Gerrard, and Hyppia dealt with it and carried on concentrating on his own game. I'd certainly hope that Maher would do the same.

That said, I don't even think we should be talking about this until at least the summer. We're going into the most important five games this club have had in a decade, Kevin Maher is our captain and lets all get behind him and the rest of the boys.

 

[Thenewblue]

I don't think any of our players are ready, or would even make the Rotherham team, but luckily we're not in the championship! Not even in League 1 yet, chickens before they've hatched and all that!...

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ April 13 2005,00:02)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,22:49)]You may be right. But I think you're being a tad harsh on Maher. Certainly a couple of seasons ago he was lacking the nuance to convey inspiration and motivation to the rest of the team. But he's developed so well in the past 18 months and I think it would be unfair to remove the armband just yet. Think about it : as Maher has developed, so has the team. Coincidence? Maybe. But what if it isn't? What if "sacking" him as skipper has the REVERSE effect?

WS

You'd have to hope that Maher would have the professionalism and maturity to deal with it if changing the captaincy is something that the manager decides to do. Liverpool did it last year when Houllier took the armband off of Hyppia and gave it to Steven Gerrard, and Hyppia dealt with it and carried on concentrating on his own game. I'd certainly hope that Maher would do the same.

Having spoken to him several times, I'm sure he would; he's a sincere, intelligent lad. But what I'd be more concerned about is the team AS A WHOLE. As someone else suggested, would a chance precipitate the formation of two separate camps of players behind Maher and his successor. Most probably not. But what if it did? How damaging would that be?

WS

 

[Beefy]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,23:10)]

Quote[/b] (Beefy @ April 13 2005,00:02)]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ April 12 2005,22:49)]You may be right. But I think you're being a tad harsh on Maher. Certainly a couple of seasons ago he was lacking the nuance to convey inspiration and motivation to the rest of the team. But he's developed so well in the past 18 months and I think it would be unfair to remove the armband just yet. Think about it : as Maher has developed, so has the team. Coincidence? Maybe. But what if it isn't? What if "sacking" him as skipper has the REVERSE effect?

WS

You'd have to hope that Maher would have the professionalism and maturity to deal with it if changing the captaincy is something that the manager decides to do. Liverpool did it last year when Houllier took the armband off of Hyppia and gave it to Steven Gerrard, and Hyppia dealt with it and carried on concentrating on his own game. I'd certainly hope that Maher would do the same.

Having spoken to him several times, I'm sure he would; he's a sincere, intelligent lad. But what I'd be more concerned about is the team AS A WHOLE. As someone else suggested, would a chance precipitate the formation of two separate camps of players behind Maher and his successor. Most probably not. But what if it did? How damaging would that be?

WS

True, but for all we know that could be the case at the moment anyway. If Barrett really does think that he should be captain then chances are he's not reached that conclusion alone.

 

[KrustyTheKray]

Maher to Hull in the summer!

If that is the case, let him go, new surroundings is what he needs. Lets sign McCormack to replace him!

The friend i have that is a Hull fan is fairly certain Peter Taylor wants Maher.

Let him go!!

 

[chaco27saf]

I for one would be gutted if Maher left. Sure, we won 3-0 in both games of his recent suspension, but IMHO neither Cheltenham or Rochdale played well against us, especially in the midfield.

Most people on SZ seem to trust Tilly and Brush when it comes to judging player ability and worthiness of being in the side (and quite rightly so), so why does this trust of our management team not extend to our longest serving player?

 

[yobbo_shrimper]

I thought rochdale played well for about 25 mins (dont no if i need new glasses)

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ April 13 2005,06:39)]Most people on SZ seem to trust Tilly and Brush when it comes to judging player ability and worthiness of being in the side (and quite rightly so), so why does this trust of our management team not extend to our longest serving player?

Maher has split the fans more than any other player I know in the last 30 odd years of watching the Shrimpers. Yes, he was sh*te when he first arrived but he has improved markedly over the years and a player doesn't make over 300 appearances for half-a-dozen managers without having some evidence of a required skill. Long may he stay at Roots Hall. And long may he continue to prove his doubters wrong ...

WS

 

[Banksy]

As I have said before, KM has had to put up with a lot of dross around him over the years with us particularly when we were on the slide and then at the bottom. He cannot transform a side on his own. KM would not be out of place at a higher level since, in a good team, he would have better players around him who would read the game as well as he does. I think that has been the case over the last season and a half when better and more committed players have joined the club ( and a decent, committed manager aswell).

 

[SUFC Employee]

Let Maher go, and get someone else in who has good discipline! McCormack possibly.

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (SUFC Employee @ April 13 2005,11:28)]Let Maher go, and get someone else in who has good discipline! McCormack possibly.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.......

 

[Shrimpersarmy]

I think the only players who could play in the Championship are Barrett and possibly Flahavan. Gower will never make it at that grade, he is too unfit, nowhere near fast enough and as our 2 visits to Cardiff have shown, he is not capable of handling the pressure of playing in front of a half decent crowd.

Flahavan could probably make it, but he could get found out for his lack of height, although that hasn't showed lately.

Barrett is IMO, the only player who could definately make it, he certainly had no problems handling Rebrov and Sheringham when he came on as sub against Wet Sham earlier in the season, and i don't recall him making a single error that has lead to a goal all season.

Back to the subject, i reckon Maher will stay. If we go up, i think everyone will stay apart maybe a few that aren't getting regular football (dudfield perhaps?)

 

[Guest]

Don't talk about Mahar ... will he stay or will he go, will he stay as captain or will Barrett be Captain. For god sake, wait till 'bloody' summer and talk about that while looking at the fixture about Southend Vs C********r Ewes, Sheffield Weds and Nott'm Forest.

Mahar got one chance to lift the Trophy .... League 2 Champion. Let get behind the team all the way, starting agasint Orient.