Next manager of England

Rusty Shackleford · Sep 29, 2016

Yorkshire Blue said:
I can't see him being successful. Not that he isn't necessarily qualified but too many wanting him to fail because of club football.

That's why I'd go David Beckham.

Or Mark Bentley as player-manager.

Now you're ****ing talking lad.

Ricey · Sep 29, 2016

No thanks!!

Bearded Shrimper · Sep 29, 2016

i think it needs to be an English manager, even if it's Steve Bruce.
Even if it's Phil bloody Brown it has to be an Englishman.
otherwise, what's the point of international football?

EastStandBlue · Sep 30, 2016

Bearded Shrimper said:
i think it needs to be an English manager, even if it's Steve Bruce.
Even if it's Phil bloody Brown it has to be an Englishman.
otherwise, what's the point of international football?

That's a pertinent question, particularly because it will split the fan base.

There'll be a considerable portion of it which believes international football should be representative of that nation's identity. It should be English players playing under an English manager in the only way England know how - blood and thunder, high pressing, high tempo with guts, passion [pronounced PASHUN] and heart. Do it for Sir Bobby. Do it for Thatcher. Just do it.

Those people will have to stomach the fact that that brand of football just isn't as successful as they might like it to be, particularly in tournament football where games are every three/four days.

There'll also be an element of the support that think international football should be almost an extension of club football, with an attitude that your FA should be doing all it can to win. We should be prepared to pay for the very best to give our squad every fighting chance of winning a major competition. Expensive training facilities should be built and they very best coaches sought after. If that means adapting our style to suit the more modern game, then so be it.

Of course, there are also the fans who want both. They want - expect - us to win and win our way. With an English manager and an English ethos. Anything else is either cheapened or failure. In some cases both.

And it's because of that the FA can't win. Not unless we somehow repeat the success of 1966 which, given the maturation and all-round levelling off of international football wherein comparative minnows like Iceland, Costa Rica and Wales can do well, is particularly difficult.

mrsblue · Sep 30, 2016

EastStandBlue said:
That's a pertinent question, particularly because it will split the fan base.

There'll be a considerable portion of it which believes international football should be representative of that nation's identity. It should be English players playing under an English manager in the only way England know how - blood and thunder, high pressing, high tempo with guts, passion [pronounced PASHUN] and heart. Do it for Sir Bobby. Do it for Thatcher. Just do it.

Those people will have to stomach the fact that that brand of football just isn't as successful as they might like it to be, particularly in tournament football where games are every three/four days.

There'll also be an element of the support that think international football should be almost an extension of club football, with an attitude that your FA should be doing all it can to win. We should be prepared to pay for the very best to give our squad every fighting chance of winning a major competition. Expensive training facilities should be built and they very best coaches sought after. If that means adapting our style to suit the more modern game, then so be it.

Of course, there are also the fans who want both. They want - expect - us to win and win our way. With an English manager and an English ethos. Anything else is either cheapened or failure. In some cases both.

And it's because of that the FA can't win. Not unless we somehow repeat the success of 1966 which, given the maturation and all-round levelling off of international football wherein comparative minnows like Iceland, Costa Rica and Wales can do well, is particularly difficult.

Maybe its because the FA are useless in hiring the right man !
Maybe it's because the FA are a bunch of Blazers who havnt got any clue!

They are even meant to be talking to the German coach(who many including myself have never heard of)

Hiring Roy was bizarre and it left the FA looking a bunch of fools.
They never appointed Clough or Redknapp,these guys may easily have done something,we will bever know.
They should be wooing Howe and nobody else IMO.

Ricky Otto · Sep 30, 2016

mrsblue said:
Maybe its because the FA are useless in hiring the right man !
Maybe it's because the FA are a bunch of Blazers who havnt got any clue!

They are even meant to be talking to the German coach(who many including myself have never heard of)

Hiring Roy was bizarre and it left the FA looking a bunch of fools.
They never appointed Clough or Redknapp,these guys may easily have done something,we will bever know.
They should be wooing Howe and nobody else IMO.

I'd be very happy with Howe but he has distanced himself and I can't see a guy like that being interested in international management at this stage in his career. It really is a part time gig and is far far away from the pinnacle of a football managers career these days. Less time working with players and a very small window for meaningful games every 2 years. As a young manager I wouldn't fancy it when I have a safe job at a premier league club.

mrsblue · Sep 30, 2016

Ricky Otto said:
I'd be very happy with Howe but he has distanced himself and I can't see a guy like that being interested in international management at this stage in his career. It really is a part time gig and is far far away from the pinnacle of a football managers career these days. Less time working with players and a very small window for meaningful games every 2 years. As a young manager I wouldn't fancy it when I have a safe job at a premier league club.

Howe IMO is paying lip service to the club,he clearly cannot say "I want the England gig" .

No job is safe in the prem apart from Wenger.

I alway's think if your good enough age doesn't enter the debate,England have hired the "old hands" who have made us the laughing stock in world football.

Uncle Leo · Sep 30, 2016

mrsblue said:
Howe IMO is paying lip service to the club,he clearly cannot say "I want the England gig" .

No job is safe in the prem apart from Wenger.

I alway's think if your good enough age doesn't enter the debate,England have hired the "old hands" who have made us the laughing stock in world football.

I'd say it's less about Howe's age meaning he's not up to the England job and more about him not fancying the job at this stage of his career.

Ricky Otto · Sep 30, 2016

mrsblue said:
Howe IMO is paying lip service to the club,he clearly cannot say "I want the England gig" .

No job is safe in the prem apart from Wenger.

I alway's think if your good enough age doesn't enter the debate,England have hired the "old hands" who have made us the laughing stock in world football.

I think his job is very safe and I think he'll have a bigger club before long.

I don't think the "if you are good enough you are old enough" argument is valid here as I don't think there is an attitude that we won't appoint a good young manager, it's more an international job isn't so attractive. The reason there are so many old guys in international management is that it is a part time job.

mrsblue · Sep 30, 2016

Uncle Leo said:
I'd say it's less about Howe's age meaning he's not up to the England job and more about him not fancying the job at this stage of his career.

What are the odds on Howe ever managing one of the top clubs?,He must know Bournemouth's success is surviving in the prem,how long can he pull off that miracle for,when they are either proper struggling or even relegated then EH will be sacked IMO.

The England job if offered will set him up for life financially,his agent will be telling him "take the job and see what you can do",if he can get England to a quarter final or better ,then the bigger clubs maybe might come calling IMO.

Napster · Sep 30, 2016

mrsblue said:
The Bournemouth job has set him up for life financially,.

corrected that for you. His wages at Bournemouth are £750k a year. More than most people earn in 20 years of hard graft.

Chocolardo · Sep 30, 2016

I see this happening (don't want it to though)

Southgate till end of prem season
Wenger for England
Howe to Arsenal
Bournouth appoint some random foreign manager

mrsblue · Sep 30, 2016

Napster said:
corrected that for you. His wages at Bournemouth are £750k a year. More than most people earn in 20 years of hard graft.

He would take home around 350k not to be sniffed at I know but that won't set him up for life though.

3 million per year plus bonus for England would.

Napster · Sep 30, 2016

mrsblue said:
He would take home around 350k not to be sniffed at I know but that won't set him up for life though.

3 million per year plus bonus for England would.

actually its nearer £400k but he would have access to decent accountants who would ensure this is invested wisely. 3 years and you're a millionaire. Yes that would set you up for life.

mrsblue · Sep 30, 2016

Napster said:
actually its nearer £400k but he would have access to decent accountants who would ensure this is invested wisely. 3 years and you're a millionaire. Yes that would set you up for life.

Shares go up and down so zero guarantee,let's assume as you say he is a millionaire in 3 years time.

If he took 50k per year from that pot he would be skint in 20 years aged 55ish,now again I repeat that sum isn't to be sniffed at but not comparable to his current salary,remember this guy had a certain lifestyle which he would wish to maintain.

2 years of the England gig would give him net around 3 million quid,now that sets him up for life.

Your to easy Naps

Napster · Sep 30, 2016

mrsblue said:
Your to easy Naps

you're* too *

stop flirting with me.

* ORM * · Sep 30, 2016

Seems Wenger is a shoe in for the job according to betting. I can't work out if that is worse than a Swede or even German. It is a very sad reflection of English football that we cannot find an English manager. Wenger? I couldn't think of a worse realistic choice. After the embarrassment of losing a game comes the embarrassment of listening to excuses. No thanks. I'd rather have Neville over him. Come to think of it I'd prefer Orville. At least it was a hand stuffed up his own arse and not his head

Uncle Leo · Sep 30, 2016

* ORM * said:
Seems Wenger is a shoe in for the job according to betting.

Not in the slightest. 6/1 (14%) third favourite.

This guy is ahead of him in the market - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick - with Southgate favourite, but not odds-on yet.

Ricey · Sep 30, 2016

* ORM * said:
Seems Wenger is a shoe in for the job according to betting. I can't work out if that is worse than a Swede or even German. It is a very sad reflection of English football that we cannot find an English manager. Wenger? I couldn't think of a worse realistic choice. After the embarrassment of losing a game comes the embarrassment of listening to excuses. No thanks. I'd rather have Neville over him. Come to think of it I'd prefer Orville. At least it was a hand stuffed up his own arse and not his head

I'm normally pretty anti having a foreign manager but I would rather have Wenger over Redknapp and Pardew.

Blue_Shrimper1959 · Sep 30, 2016

Uncle Leo said:
Not in the slightest. 6/1 (14%) third favourite.

This guy is ahead of him in the market - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick - with Southgate favourite, but not odds-on yet.

Ashworth has been chasing Rangnick going back to his West Brom days, the guy has had mixed success. See it more as "development" role, due to his signing policy/mentality at club level, not something the national team really needs....which is a manager who can get results from a team, with minimal time of the training ground.