Pass back rule

[sufc_stu]

Just in case anyone else didn’t understand why the ref didn’t give a free kick for a blatant pass back yesterday!

Decision 3

Subject to the terms of Law 12, a player may pass the ball to his own goalkeeper using his head or chest or knee, etc. If, however, in the opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play in order to circumvent the Law, the player is guilty of unsport-ing behaviour. He is cautioned, shown the yellow card and an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team from the place where the infringement occurred. * (see page 3)
A player using a deliberate trick to circumvent the Law while he is taking a free kick is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and shown the yellow card. The free kick is retaken.
In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subse-quently touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is com-mitted by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of Law 12.

Taken from the FIFA web site!

 

[Smiffy]

certainly had me confused stu!! didnt realise a knee was indeed deemed a legal backpass, do now though, so wont be giving any official a piece of my mind if this occurs again!

 

[sufc_stu]

Quote[/b] (Smiffy @ Aug. 31 2004,16:44)]so wont be giving any official a piece of my mind if this occurs again!

and the 3,000 others that didn’t realise! But to be fair the ref was shocking any way so he deserved it!

 

[fbm]

Quote[/b] (sufc_stu @ Aug. 31 2004,16:34)]Just in case anyone else didn’t understand why the ref didn’t give a free kick for a blatant pass back yesterday!

Decision 3

Subject to the terms of Law 12, a player may pass the ball to his own goalkeeper using his head or chest or knee, etc. If, however, in the opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play in order to circumvent the Law, the player is guilty of unsport-ing behaviour. He is cautioned, shown the yellow card and an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team from the place where the infringement occurred. * (see page 3)
A player using a deliberate trick to circumvent the Law while he is taking a free kick is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and shown the yellow card. The free kick is retaken.
In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subse-quently touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is com-mitted by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of Law 12.

Taken from the FIFA web site!

So, if I've got that right then...

It is against the laws to PASS BACK from a free kick, regardless of whether the keeper picks it up or not then?

You learn something new every day...

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (sufc_stu @ Aug. 31 2004,16:50)]

Quote[/b] (Smiffy @ Aug. 31 2004,16:44)]so wont be giving any official a piece of my mind if this occurs again!

and the 3,000 others that didn’t realise! But to be fair the ref was shocking any way so he deserved it!

Have you tried to referee with a headache ?

To be fair I think he was one of the better referees we've seen down here for a while. He was trying to play the advantage where possible and it backfired on him a couple of times. He's already been proved right on the "backpass" and was generally happy to let hard, fair tackles go where too many whistle happy refs would have blown up. He also only used his book when absolutely necessary.

The only real howler he made was not booking Dudfield's challenge on Fettucini.

 

[Shrimp in a Kilt]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Aug. 31 2004,17:28)]

Quote[/b] (sufc_stu @ Aug. 31 2004,16:34)]Just in case anyone else didn’t understand why the ref didn’t give a free kick for a blatant pass back yesterday!

Decision 3

Subject to the terms of Law 12, a player may pass the ball to his own goalkeeper using his head or chest or knee, etc. If, however, in the opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play in order to circumvent the Law, the player is guilty of unsport-ing behaviour. He is cautioned, shown the yellow card and an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team from the place where the infringement occurred. * (see page 3)
A player using a deliberate trick to circumvent the Law while he is taking a free kick is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and shown the yellow card. The free kick is retaken.
In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subse-quently touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is com-mitted by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of Law 12.

Taken from the FIFA web site!

So, if I've got that right then...

It is against the laws to PASS BACK from a free kick, regardless of whether the keeper picks it up or not then?

You learn something new every day...

No... You can pass back WITHOUT attempting a trick and that is fine.... but the keeper can't pick it up, as with any pass back. It is the attempt to circumvent the law, i.e. by using a trick so that the ball is passed back to the keeper by a bit of the body that isn't the feet that is being targeted.

 

[fbm]

Quote[/b] (Shrimp in a Kilt @ Aug. 31 2004,17:51)]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Aug. 31 2004,17:28)]

Quote[/b] (sufc_stu @ Aug. 31 2004,16:34)]Just in case anyone else didn’t understand why the ref didn’t give a free kick for a blatant pass back yesterday!

Decision 3

Subject to the terms of Law 12, a player may pass the ball to his own goalkeeper using his head or chest or knee, etc. If, however, in the opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play in order to circumvent the Law, the player is guilty of unsport-ing behaviour. He is cautioned, shown the yellow card and an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team from the place where the infringement occurred. * (see page 3)
A player using a deliberate trick to circumvent the Law while he is taking a free kick is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and shown the yellow card. The free kick is retaken.
In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subse-quently touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is com-mitted by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of Law 12.

Taken from the FIFA web site!

So, if I've got that right then...

It is against the laws to PASS BACK from a free kick, regardless of whether the keeper picks it up or not then?

You learn something new every day...

No... You can pass back WITHOUT attempting a trick and that is fine.... but the keeper can't pick it up, as with any pass back.  It is the attempt to circumvent the law, i.e. by using a trick so that the ball is passed back to the keeper by a bit of the body that isn't the feet that is being targeted.

Aha... now having read it properly I can see that.

Thanks shrimp in a kilt

 

[londonblue]

I would imagine a "trick" in this instance is if the player has the ball on the ground and chips it straight up (as if starting a game of keepy uppy) and then knees/chests/heads the ball back to the keeper.....

 

[sufc_stu]

Quote[/b] (londonblue @ Aug. 31 2004,18:58)]I would imagine a "trick" in this instance is if the player has the ball on the ground and chips it straight up (as if starting a game of keepy uppy) and then knees/chests/heads the ball back to the keeper.....

Correct

 

[The Artful Shrimper]

I thought this law was to prevent needless timewasting as can be seen in old 1970's Liverpool or Arsenal footage. Clued up footballers..."if they exsist" ...will now perfect the use of knees and shoulders (or is that handball) and heads to pass back, what's the point?